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Good to hear from you,, @DrewNows These musical Mystics look a little bit stoned to me. Bob Dylan and Kris Kristopherson are alike in a way. Great song writers,,yes. Singers, eh,,not so much. Why is everything they refer to yellow? Be careful when you're talking And saying all that stuff (Be careful about expressing negative emotion)o Take care when you are breathing Something's funny in the air ( Breath Consciously) there's some things they're not saying 'bout what's happening out there (Spiritual sleep) It's inside out,,,, ACIM says we experience life upside down Maurice Nicoll- AN INTERNAL MOVEMENT “To remember oneself it is necessary to look in and look out. One must see the outer and see oneself in relation to the outer. But actu- ally no one can see in and see out at the same time any more than a person can breathe in and breathe out at the same time...And so Self-Remembering can be thought of as consisting in some to and fro motion, psychological in nature, that has to be carried out conscious- ly—that is, with a certain pressure of the attention that is given by aim or by the feeling of the Work. For example, I look at the person, and then at my reaction in the light of my aim, then outward again at the person, then inward at my reaction, and so on. Identifying then becomes impossible.” V. 2, p. 410

Learning to "sit with" uncomfortable or emotionally painful states of 'deficient emptiness' has been beneficial for me as taught in The Ridhwan Diamond Approach which has many similarities with self observation of The Fourth Way which I've also practiced. https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/deficient-emptiness Another Christian Teacher I like phrased it as learning to sit in the middle of your every-which-way-ness. Crucial also for me was to not give voice to negative emotions. Don't repress them but allow yourself to feel them fully just don't speak them. As in complaining when you know ahead of time, it will do no good. When we speak them, if you notice, they get traction and gain momentum. I noticed with myself a loss of life force or chi energy if I let go with a bunch of word vomit. This loss of energy persisted for the rest of the day and until I was able to go through some R.E.M. and normal deep sleep cycle. To hold one's tongue and not give voice can be a terribly difficult thing to do but with practice it gets more doable and one can then recognize the benefit to one's emotional stability as well as our energy levels. There is most always the pendulum effect in regard to emotions. Remember ahead of time that things will look different in a day or two whether one is on a bit of a high or feeling a terrible low.

@Raptorsin7 I was in a similar condition 30 years ago in my late teens early twenties..It sounds like you're volunteering in some radical honesty about yourself. That's great! It can be very painful to sit with certain things we observe about ourselves but if you truly observe these things without self criticism they will dissolve. Feeling remorse can be medicine. Guilt is worse than useless and will often perpetuate unhealthy cycles. Be kind to yourself and ponder the difference between feeling remorse and feeling guilt. Hopefully, your family recognizes this newborn sincerity. If not, have trust that in time, they will. Getting creative in ways of adopting a minimalist lifestyle and avoiding debt can prevent stress further on down the road.. Hope you don't mind my unsolicited advice. It's offered only out of goodwill and friendship and having once been in similar circumstances Oh yeah, I almost forgot,,, fuck shame and piss all over the super-ego (the voice of the inner critic). And good luck. ?✌️?‍♂️??‍?

@Keyhole No Ma'am. No chronic illnesses at present. I'm 52 though, and I know how fast twenty years can go by. My father passed away at 66. I've also caught glimpses many times of my self deception in not really considering the inevitability of death or doing the math you might say. Death of the body,,,, I'm just using death as an advisor as Gurdjieff and Castaneda articulated. Excuse me for replying mostly with quotes. “Death is the only wise advisor that we have. Whenever you feel, as you always do, that everything is going wrong and you're about to be annihilated, turn to your death and ask if that is so. Your death will tell you that you're wrong; that nothing really matters outside its touch. Your death will tell you, 'I haven't touched you yet.” Dont really liked that he chose the word pity here but it's the overall gist of the message that I'm leaning on.

By chance here is their home page. http://www.consciousdynamicsllc.com/home/home.html if it works, click on Enneagram and then levels Of Consciousness..

@Artsu I'm excited to read your takeaway about different typologies.. Spiral Dynamics also. I love this webpage. http://www.consciousdynamicsllc.com/home/levels_of_consciousness.html Its a combination of SD and the Enneagram. I'm an enneatype six and an INTP, by the way. Also, a Solar Saturn Mars in the body type or endocrine typology.. Are you a student of Astrology as well? ?‍♂️

The good thing about writing in a personal journal vs making comments in the general forum is that you can say pretty much anything you want to say. You can't force me to be quiet. You can't force me to talk either. I have the right to remain silent. i have the right to change my mind. Doesn't matter if it's once a month or 72 times in a day. Rome falls nine times an hour. I'm not ashamed to admit my struggle with being indecisive or being a coward, a drunk or an addict. To admit my struggles or perceived weaknesses is liberating. I can laugh at myself or my ego. It's puffed up self importance that makes a person weak and vulnerable I don't have to be a good public speaker. I don't want to be famous. It doesn't interest me. Maybe it's like heroin in that I don't know what I'm missing. I would like to be likeable but I don't need anyone's approval. I need to be true only to what my own heart and conscience tells me. When I do that, I find that the Universe is benevolent and it helps me. When I'm bullshiting myself, the universe also lets me know about that too. This body will die in just a few years. In Remembering that, I feel more grateful for today and this very moment. What a tragedy it is to wish one's life away looking to the future.

Cleaning the atmosphere of your luminous egg gives you inner quiet. There are different practices for this. You are then free inside of other people. What they do no longer provokes one's ego. The Four Moods Ruthlessness, Cunning, Patience, And Sweetness. Ruthlessness should not be harshness Cunning should not be cruelty Patience should not be negligence Sweetness should not be foolishness. A mood of abandon but not recklessness; a mood of caring but not indulgence. Be ruthless but charming Be cunning but nice Be patient but active Be sweet but lethal Ruthless without being self-important Ruthlessness, the opposite of self-pity Ruthlessness is a total lack of pity The place of no pity is the site of ruthlessness. Ruthlessness, being a specific position of the assemblage point, is shown in the eyes of sorcerers. It’s like a shimmering film over the eyes. The eyes of sorcerers are brilliant. The greater the shine, the more ruthless the sorcerer is. Ruthlessness is not cruelty. Ruthlessness is the opposite of self-pity or self-importance. Ruthlessness is sobriety. Ruthlessness is Love with a big L.

@Petals I've yet to check out your link. I'm going to do that now. Here is Ted and his preacher man cadence. ? Don't let that turn you away. He's a sharp character. Basically, he's delivering Esoteric Christianity. Aka - Fourth Way Teachings

People who have an active painbody are out of control. A valuable thing I've learned is to not make eye contact with anyone who has an active painbody. A lot of this I picked up from The Oracle of the Cosmic Way version of the ICHING. I'm not above this condition. It just something that happens to most of us. Being radically honest about our inner condition is one of the first steps in becoming more aware about our triggers and the things we can observe which can create the space needed in order to not to fall into reactivity. Hurt people who are hurting people. There's no bad or guilty people. I hurt for those who are under the spell of the painbody. Their ego or their painbody will feed on your energy though. It is your right and responsibility to say the inner No to this kind of energy. Wise people of older generations who never read Echart Tolle knew this wisdom of not making eye contact with people who are in a negative state of consciousness. I'm recalling one of these wise older people from earlier in life when I was under the control of my painbody. I remember the turmoil of being in an extremely negative condition and how I would try to stir everything up. I see how wise they were in not feeding into my bad state by being subdued and passive. It may sound like a weak stance but it is absolutely the opposite. It is only our own true will anchored in a feeling consciousness which can say this powerful inner No. You can observe this if it is not already known. For years I was oblivious to this phenomena of the ego in the other person feeding on the chi energy of others. When we don't make eye contact with those in that condition we are helping them in possibly reestablishing contact with their own True Self. From The Oracle of the Cosmic Way below. Carol Anthony is more articulate about this than I am. So I'll share some of her writing.

In the Science of Idiotism, cumulative integration can eventually tip the scales. One can become an enlightened Idiot as a permanent station instead of just a temporary state. The interconnectedness of all and everything is then on permanent display. To be an Idiot, one must be striving for transformation or awakening. One reason also that an egotist cannot be an Idiot is that they don't strive for transformation which helps God, who everyday, puffs and moans to keep the Universe going. An Idiot strives as well at developing the capacity for directing one's own attention in being present and alert. With the pendulum of personality on the path of knowledge and the yo yo of up and down on the ladder of Reason and the path of Being, the capacity for directing one's attention is crucial. The Idiot finds him or herself in a landscape of many moving parts. An egoist has dispersed attention and is often blinded by their own sense of clarity. They will eventually become consumed as food by Great Nature. It's so sad that they don't even know. They are asleep and don't realize it. A few of them are living the American dream. Some of them are lost in wet dreams. Some are lost in nightmares. It takes courage to be an Idiot. In addition to striving and courage, an Idiot is able to be lighthearted.

Thanks,,@fridjonk

We're all a bunch of narcissists and egomaniacs. Especially the so called "experts",,,, We're all this and even more! ? The Self of the Average Individual is Deeply and Fundamentally Narcissistic Narcissism is a very general, basic element of ego life. The self of the average individual is deeply and fundamentally narcissistic. The complete resolution of narcissism will elude us until the achievement of self-realization. All that conventional psychotherapy can do is alleviate symptoms resulting from severe disturbances of narcissism, and, when successful, can help the individual to reach the level of the narcissism of everyday life. To proceed further and address this fundamental narcissism, only spiritual development will make a real difference. We also believe that understanding the spiritual nature of the self can help us to understand even the severe forms of narcissistic disturbance. This perspective can help us to see that we cannot separate our psychology from our spirituality, our psyche from our spirit, for we are fundamentally whole. Our self is one self, and cannot be dichotomized into a spiritual or “higher” self and a psychical or psychophysical self. The Point of Existence, pg. 46 https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/narcissism Approaching the Dimension of Essential Presence We Inevitably Confront the Narcissism Inherent in Our Disconnection from that Presence When a person is working on self-realization, this narcissism is increasingly exposed; in fact, it is usually aggravated for some time. When we approach the dimension of essential presence we inevitably confront the narcissism inherent in our disconnection from that presence. The success of the work on self-realization depends, to a great degree, upon successfully resolving the arousal and intensification of narcissistic manifestations. The narcissism of everyday life is much more ubiquitous, much deeper, and much more significant than we usually allow ourselves to see. However, it dissolves steadily in the deeper stages of self-realization. Full self-realization completely eliminates this narcissism, for it is not natural to the realized self The Point of Existence, pg. 27 https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/narcissism-everyday-life The Gap Between Encountering True Nature and Being True Nature This is the gap between encountering true nature and being true nature, between recognizing that spirit is and recognizing that spirit is what you are. It is a movement from a dual encounter with true nature to a nondual one. It is also the movement from experience to realization. The Alchemy of Freedom, pg. 38 Characteristics of the Narcissistic Constellation We will present this group of states and experiences in the reverse order from the sequence one encounters in the process of working through narcissism, assuming that this reverse order is the order in which these states arise in the process of alienation. We call this group of states, conditions, and structures of the self, “the narcissistic constellation” : 1. The disconnection of the self from its essential presence manifests as a profound and deep wound to the self. It is as if the very core of the self is yanked out from within it. This is the specific narcissistic wound, the hurt that expresses the pain of this fundamental loss, and reflects the actual state of loss ..... 2. Alienation from the Essential Identity leads to the loss of the profound sense of value and preciousness intrinsic to the sense of one’s identity with Being. Value is a quality of Being which, when lost, leads to a loss of self-esteem. When we are in touch with Being, self-esteem is experienced as an intrinsic feature of the self, as part of one’s inalienable human inheritance ..... 3. The alienation from the Essential Identity results in narcissistic emptiness. This feels like a deficient emptiness, the specific deficiency being the feeling of absence of the sense of self. It is the loss of identity ..... 4. The emptiness and the wound make up one structure, the emptiness wound. The emptiness and the wound are intertwined elements of narcissistic alienation. The emptiness-wound is where the hurt and vulnerability are felt ..... 5. Reactions to this injury include narcissistic rage, envy, and depression. The rage has specific narcissistic features, such as lack of empathy and a sense of entitlement ..... 6. The narcissistic injury, that is, the emptiness-wound and its various associated affects and reactions, is covered over by the self-identity, through the identification with self-images and their associated affects. The overall structure of self-identity is sometimes experienced as a shell around the deficient emptiness. This shows very clearly that the experience of being an empty shell—which is reported frequently by individuals suffering from narcissism—refers to the psychic structure of self-identity, and that the emptiness inside this shell is the direct consequence of the alienation from the Essential Identity ..... 7. One does not usually experience the shell directly as a shell; if she did, she would be aware of the deficient emptiness. The more she becomes aware of the truth of her identity, the more likely she will become aware that she is a shell, and the more aware she will become of the emptiness. The usual experience of what we are calling the shell is the sense of self characterized by a specific feeling of identity. Because of the normal feeling of identity, the ordinary individual is not directly aware of her fundamental narcissism. As she becomes aware of her fundamental narcissism, she will recognize that her feeling of identity is based on a structure which she can perceive directly as an empty shell. This will usually make her feel phony or fake. 8. The more narcissistic the person, in other words, the greater the distance from the Essential Identity—indicating greater narcissistic injury in childhood—the more her identity is based on the grandiose self. The Point of Existence, pg. 216, 217, 218 https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/narcissistic-constellation Disconnection from Being Narcissistic emptiness involves disconnection not only from the Essential Identity, but from Being as a whole. It is the absence of self-realization. It is the gap between our essential nature and who we take ourselves to be. It is the great chasm separating our experience in the conventional dimension of experience from the fundamental ground of the soul. It is the emptiness of narcissistic alienation itself. The Point of Existence, pg. 334 https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/narcissistic-emptiness Cause of the Narcissistic Impasse The narcissistic impasse is caused by confusing a phenomenological difficulty with a psychodynamic issue. The fact that experiencing the self through a self-representation alienates it from its ontological truth becomes confused with conflicts about separation involving a certain object relation. Understanding this situation is important for self-realization. Whether one can work through it determines whether one moves from dual to nondual experience of essential presence. The student may start feeling that what he truly longs for is just to be himself, merely to be, without even caring to conceptualize what he is being. He just wants to simply be, and that is all. This clarity leads to greater realization of the Essential Identity, and greater differentiation in the properties of this experience. He experiences his essential nature in many ways now, expressing the various functions of this true identity. Sometimes there is a sense of completeness. The act of being himself, which is not an activity, feels complete. The presence has no gaps. The center has no attitudes. It is just a complete existence, which is a perfect act of being. There is no familiar sense of self or no self, no sense of size or quality. At other times he feels he is nothing, but a wondrous nothing. No characteristics, no perspective, no position, and no attitude. It is total freedom. This nothing feels like a fertile nothing, a potential for experience, any and all experience. In other words, the soul recognizes itself as pure openness to experience, the actual possibility for experience, the free potential for experience. The Point of Existence, pg. 350 Cause of the Narcissistic Impasse The narcissistic impasse is caused by confusing a phenomenological difficulty with a psychodynamic issue. The fact that experiencing the self through a self-representation alienates it from its ontological truth becomes confused with conflicts about separation involving a certain object relation. Understanding this situation is important for self-realization. Whether one can work through it determines whether one moves from dual to nondual experience of essential presence. The student may start feeling that what he truly longs for is just to be himself, merely to be, without even caring to conceptualize what he is being. He just wants to simply be, and that is all. This clarity leads to greater realization of the Essential Identity, and greater differentiation in the properties of this experience. He experiences his essential nature in many ways now, expressing the various functions of this true identity. Sometimes there is a sense of completeness. The act of being himself, which is not an activity, feels complete. The presence has no gaps. The center has no attitudes. It is just a complete existence, which is a perfect act of being. There is no familiar sense of self or no self, no sense of size or quality. At other times he feels he is nothing, but a wondrous nothing. No characteristics, no perspective, no position, and no attitude. It is total freedom. This nothing feels like a fertile nothing, a potential for experience, any and all experience. In other words, the soul recognizes itself as pure openness to experience, the actual possibility for experience, the free potential for experience. The Point of Existence, pg. 350 There is No Total Freedom of Mind so Long as One is Depending on Mind for Identity This can become a trap—what we term the narcissistic impasse—in which the student isolates himself physically or psychologically from situations or individuals that may be useful to him. This position indicates the absence of complete understanding of self-realization, the student thinking of it as a kind of mental autonomy. He is not seeing that the issue is not the influence of others, but how this influence is carried to the self. Regardless of how free his mind is, its very foundation—its concepts and words, its language and way of knowing—are all learned from the collective psyche. So there is no total freedom of mind as long as one is depending on mind for identity. More important, one must come to understand what Krishnamurti says above, that the problem is thought, that it is the mind that is the channel of influence. So freedom is not a matter of having one’s autonomous mind, it is not a matter of freedom of mind, it is, rather, a matter of freedom from mind. Mind as knowledge from the past is the barrier, even if the ideas and insights are totally one’s own. Seeing ourselves from within and through impressions from the past is what separates us from the purity of simply being. The Point of Existence, pg. 349 Plus more,,,, https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/narcissistic-issues Provocation of Narcissistic Rage The narcissistic individual, or the normal individual at this phase of development, is prone to intense anger, an irrational rage, which may take the form of acute explosions or be chronic and vengeful. This narcissistic rage is provoked by the slightest—real or imagined—narcissistic insult, such as not being seen, understood, or appreciated, in the way one feels he deserves. Narcissistic envy may arise; one hates anyone who has (or seems to have), a rich inner life or external acclaim and feels pain about not having what the other has. The Point of Existence, pg. 327 A lot more here https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/narcissistic-shame and here https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/narcissistic-supplies as well as here https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/narcissistic-transference Also,,, https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/narcissistic-vulnerability https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/narcissistic-wound

Fell asleep six hours ago not having pushed the submit reply button. Probably wasn't making much sense but I'll hit the send button now anyway. The moon looked weird and beautiful tonight. I see so many people under enormous stress. Every now and then, I'm one of those people. In the last year, I've experienced a lot of dry eye which is new to me. Also cataracts, especially in my left eye. I was looked at like an escaped convict when I went into Walmart this morning without wearing a dust mask. My sister just called from the Hospital parking lot. My Grandmother-(Ma) was taken there from a nursing home. They won't let my sister in because of Covid hysteria and ensuing rules. Ma has become especially fragile the last few days. She grew up living in sawmill shacks in a hard country of extreme seasonal changes. She had to share a pair of shoes one winter with another sister. This meant if they both left the house, they had to take turns wearing the shoes to wherever they were walking. There are many similar stories of hardship in her past. Now, she may die in that hospital alone under fluorescent lights because of all this soulless herd mentality that's going on. My sister was really pissed off when she called. Maurice Nicoll referred to life on Earth as a pain factory.

The Strength to Be It by Dr. Jim Rosen ©2020 Dr. Jim Rosen You really have the right to be selective and spend your time with the people who like you the way you are. According to psychologist and author Jess Lair, “We make our spiritual quest with the clues and resources life gives us. One of the clues is the people who like us the way we are. In their presence we come to discover who we are and get the strength to be it.” How many people? We need just one or two close friends at a time, less than a handful in a whole lifetime. With these few, we share our thoughts, our feelings, our perception of the world, our ups and downs, our laughter and tears. From these few, we learn that we are loved no matter what, and we develop the strength to do what feels right and important on the inside.

If I tried to describe or define my understanding of what Faith is and it's operation, Almaas's description of the quality of basic trust comes to mind Glossary of Spiritual Wisdom Excerpts about Basic Trust Attuning to Reality Basic trust is the soul's way of attuning to a fundamental law of reality, the fact that our sense of existing as a separate and isolated entity is false, that our ego experience of isolation and helplessness is an illusion based on identification with the world of physical manifestation. Knowing that we are all part of one reality means that our true nature is not defined by ego experience in the physical body and cannot be fundamentally hurt or destroyed. If the individual soul is in touch with this reality of non-separateness, then it will reflect that by functioning in a way that expresses this knowledge. Facets of Unity, pg. 24 Basic Trust Enables You to Completely Stay with Experience As we have seen, when you are trying to make something happen, you are not trusting the natural order; you don't trust that Essence itself will manifest in the way it is needed. The first point of departure from this trust is always a rejection of the now. To apply the perspective of basic trust, of true will, you must have the complete confidence that staying completely with what you are experiencing in this moment, will result in what needs to happen, without your having to think about a certain outcome. When the confidence is there, your awareness of exactly what is happening in you will allow you to see that your organism will do the best it can in the situation. Your mind, however, doesn't allow that complete Presence in the now; it thinks it knows what is best for you, but of course it knows only what has happened in the past, and can lead you only in ways conditioned by your history. Diamond Heart Book Two, pg. 118 https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/basic-trust After copying and pasting these two excerpts (of seven total) about basic trust, I wondered if he had any quotes on Faith in the Glossary. He did. Tying in the idea of recognizing guidance more. Faith and Guidance This brings in another consideration, which is that we not only need to be open to the Guidance, we also need to have faith in it. We need to have confidence in its efficacy and capacity; otherwise, it won't guide us. Or if it is already guiding us, we won't know that it is guiding us. We have faith in our guidance when we have the trust that it will take us to the places we need to go. Faith is the confidence and trust that the Guidance will send us in the right direction, that it won't deceive us, won't lie to us, and won't put us into situations that we can't handle. If we don't have this kind of faith, our openness to guidance is limited, which will limit the capacity of the Guidance to help us. Spacecruiser Inquiry, pg. 230 https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/faith ACIM's view of faith in conjunction with guidance from the Holy Spirit is very similar.

No Sometimes No Yo, I mean snesh,,, The strange attractor in Chaos theory make Flow, God, Unity Consciousness, understanding and meaning discoverable. Great clip and channel also at first glance. I'm going to have to watch this movie. Thanks @Marc Schinkel

One thing in common between the movie The World According to Garp and Larry McMurtry’s Novel Some Can Whistle. They each contain an intense combination of Hilarity and Tragedy, Anyone feel free to Nominate candidates for this category ,,,,

I was struck by Joe Dispenza and Bruce Lipton's emphasis on the significance of the placebo effect a few years ago when I first started Listening to them. @electroBeam I agree with you also on the real and beneficial effects of emotional mastery or emotional purification as I've heard it termed in learning about it and gradually applying it in my inner world. The untangling of thoughts and emotions can bring about a continuity of consciousness which is often missing to a degree by the time we get into early adulthood after the tumult of adolescence and it's mostly unrealized. Not that emotional mastery addresses all ailments or health irregularities but it's such a huge thing. For me and I believe most people, it's a hard fought battle that doesn't happen all at once. After a few years of working on myself I realized that just because something in my life situation sucked, I didn't have to take it personally and negatively which can then drag others down whom I come into contact with. Not saying that I'm completely free of automatic or mechanical reactivity now, but for years I had no idea of the extent to which I bitched and complained about most everything and the continual fallout from it. Emotional purification adds reality to the notion that 'the kingdom' is at hand.

I believe that was a first on this thread. The posting of a symphony orchestra. Thank you, @seeking_brilliance . That was nice. I listened to it as I did some work around the house. Listening to more country music lately, mostly of the older variety, I ran across a Willie song that I'd never heard before.

I'm going to make a controversial statement. The less of a personality that someone has, the more awakened they are. This is actually taught in the Fourth Way. I've just worded it in a blunt way. I've often pondered why more people aren't drawn to the Teachings of Hameed Ali Almaas. His understanding is so comprehensive Like this guy who makes these condensed and very informative YouTubes on Fourth Way concepts that I've posted just underneath.Neither one have much of a personality. Consider also Eckhart Tolle. He really doesn't have very much personality or maybe I should say he doesn't have a big personality. There are many distinctions to be made here. Such as the notion of attaining the 'Pearl beyond Price' in which our raw personality or ego is slowly transformed over time through a multiple series of awakenings. I think maybe Eckhart Tolle fits our idea in the west of a 'spiritual person' and that might account for some of his popularity. Almaas was born and grew up in Kuwait and has a Middle Eastern flavor of an accent and sometimes what to a lot of us sounds like peculiar way of phrasing or pronunciation of some words. What I've stated can't be taken as a blanket statement either. Sadhguru has what I would characterize as a powerful personality. And then there's Osho,,,,, While on the the subject of terms with multiple usages like Ego, Personality, Love, etc., I value Emerald Wilkins knowledge and understanding on her Diamond Net channel. She strikes me as someone who has studied and worked a lot on herself as all Teachers in general must. And of course I value and completely enjoy Leo's explanations. Even if he spends 3 hours doing it or perhaps especially because he makes such drawn out and through distinctions in his talks. All the Teachers I've mentioned address this subject of personality, false personality, ego, essence, personal essence ,,,, in different ways but similarly. Yet, it seems the majority of people almost tune out these particular messages in a way. In general I think the more Teachers You allow yourself to be open to, the better it is for your advantage in learning and acquiring perspectives because at the core of each of us is a multidimensional being.

In ACIM, I remember Jesus saying through Helen, as channeler,that any attitude other than peace or joy could be considered egoic. That comes fairly close to a definition. I've quoted that before but I forgot where in the book that it's written. I need to look up where to make sure I'm getting it tight. Added. A working Music link up above concerning the dream I wrote about this morning.