Zigzag Idiot

@seeking_brilliance I can’t think of anything right off. It’s something I’ve picked up in bits and pieces over the last few years. I’ll see if anything comes to mind in the next day or so. I do have a practice concerning this written down somewhere. It’s quite intense. I’ll see if I can find it. Doing a bing search a few minutes ago I found this article. I haven’t read all of it but it looks pretty decent. https://www.jgbennett.org/distinction-sensing-feeling/

Wow! I woke up about an hour ago . Thinking it was predawn morning I made and ate a nice breakfast and did the check-in journal. I now realize it’s evening. Lol,,,?‍♂️ Im going to look now for a little book I have in which a student of the Gurdjieff work in Europe has ovelayed the enneagram personality types onto the Astrological wheel. In my life I’ve seen a lot of Libras who were enneatype 1’s sometimes 9, Cancers who were type 4, and Sagittarius who were enneatype 8. If anyone would care to. Leave your astrological sign with your enneatype here as a kind of survey, please do. Zigzag Idiot - Virgo and enneatype 6 of the counterphobic kind.

1.What where you doing before the thread was opened? Anything important? Eating breakfast and talking with a friend who dropped by right after I woke up. 2. How did you get to where you are now? I haven’t been anywhere. Just walked to the kitchen and back to the bedroom. 3. Do you really know if you were doing anything before opening this thread? Yes. What is stated above. 4. If applicable, what did you block out to focus on the check in? The opinion the I should be sensing the body rather than feeling. (My mr. know it all self,,,,,) Also thoughts about my friend and his drunk girlfriend who stopped in unannounced. 5. What is now, compared to before? As it stands, two elements conceptually created within the timeless but done so on the relative plane in time. 6. Who am I? All and everything and nothing as well as a bipetal, gaseous vertebrate. 5. Is this a dream? Possibly when put in a frame of reference beyond the scope that I’m aware of. ----------------------------- Further questions presented by @Preety_India 8. Am I more focused now than before? Definitely 9. On a scale of 1 to 10, (10 being the strongest) what is my focus level today or now? 6,,,,,? 10. Can I let go everything in this moment? How does it feel when I let go? At this moment it would be a possibility but actuality in all honesty, no. 11. Am I aware of my body and mind and spirit? Are they all aligned to my inner sense of purpose and direction in life? Yes, somewhat, but not in an optimal way. Are they all aligned to my inner sense of purpose and direction in life? Only marginally, at the moment.

No Sir. I’m not THAT much of a theologian. ? Just got it in a Bing search of a half remembered Bible verse. ?

I enjoy their good harmony.

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Answer for Buddhists ?? Answer for Christians: ?? New International Version Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the realm of the dead, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom. New Living Translation Whatever you do, do well. For when you go to the grave, there will be no work or planning or knowledge or wisdom. English Standard Version Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might, for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going. Berean Study Bible Whatever you find to do with your hands, do it with all your might, for in Sheol, where you are going, there is no work or planning or knowledge or wisdom. King James Bible Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. New King James Version Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going. New American Standard Bible Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might; for there is no activity, planning, knowledge, or wisdom in Sheol where you are going.

@seeking_brilliance Good idea! @Gesundheit You missed the subtlety of my point. If you read it that is. If that’s the case, excuse me. I liked your witticism on the other thread though.

Bump. Hey, @seeking_brilliance, excuse me for bumping into you this morning. ?

@Roy The human condition being what I is, I think your question is spot on. Even though @Carl-Richard makes some seemingly valid points, the way he framed your question with his answer implies a non recognition of the prevalence of spiritual sleep of which I include myself to be as susceptible as anyone. Sensing the physicality of the body anytime of the day helps the embodiment of awareness if it is carried out deliberately and not mechanically. The feet, because of the pressure of our weight and the numerous nerve endings make an easy target for one’s awareness and attention to get out of the head and become more wholly present. The use of observing any kind of negative emotions or reactivity can also be a very useful “alarm clock”. Observing it in others is easier but to stand in the middle of oneself and name and hopefully call it down is where the big payoffs occur. This exercise is difficult to do but it’s just plain bad ass! For instance, notice here on the forum when other’s response to questions are more about looking big and important and just pissing all over someone, instead of a friendly, helpful form of skillful means. A tongue in cheek quote from Ocke de Boer comes to mind.” If you could float above the earth and become aware of all the negativity that’s going on, you would never laugh again.”

There’s a lot of transrational in transcending. “In this he says the ego blames rather than take responsibility, thrives on conflict, clings to the past, fears the future, likes excuses, tends to go into denial rather than admit, it’s impatient and doesn’t want to wait. Waiting when your uncomfortable is difficult.” yep, true that.

To me, one of the most beneficial experiences from psychedelic trips are what’s gotten rid of. Specifically, personality or ego structures that you might say become ruptured. The familiar comfortable way in which we have always framed the world cannot be fixed as before. My first nn dmt trip was fairly traumatic and uncomfortable but that played a crucial role in “killing” a part of me that would not have died otherwise. An analogous situation - A Friend of mine once said of a former girlfriend, “ she broke my heart and it was the best thing that ever happened to me.” Before that relationship, he was fairly cocky and a bit arrogant. After she “broke his heart’” he became quite a bit more gentle with people. He gained enormously in having empathy towards others.

I never really have but I’m glad you expressed that. I always viewed the numbers as arbitrary but having value in the order they are and being relative to one another loosely There’s been a lot of people who have totally dismissed him because of the scale. I like that he goes really deep into issues but is still often light hearted. It was about 15 years ago that I just lived and breathed his books for a couple of years. Reading them made me feel high but in hindsight, I was still in a bit of Zen devil phase then.

.The level or degree of ones being is always fluctuating. On some days, I’m as dumb as a claw hammer. Just ask Marc Schinkel. He could probably verify this somewhat. We’re two natured beings. Having a planetary body and also an energy or astral body. It is said that Feelings are the blood of the astral body I like the description that when we are thinking dominated, we radiate from the head and when our centers are balanced, we emanate from the heart center. I’ve made peace with being especially dense from time to time on certain days. Years ago this caused me a lot of insecurity and further confusion. Through understanding, I was able to let most of that just go. Maybe it was the other way around? I let it go and then achieved some understanding. I don’t know. Understanding comes about through beginners mind and maybe vice versa.,,,? When the emotional center is purified and we are free from guilt and also don’t overthink everything, we perceive accurately with our feelings. Feelings become intuition and eventually become clairvoyance. The energetic (astral) body as well as our planetary bodies have signature vibrations. Almaas describes us as fields of impressionability. For me, this aligns with Conscience being defined as the intelligence of the universe Out beyond ideas of wrong doing and right doing, there is a field. I’ll meet you there. Most everyone knows where that line came from,,, When the soul lies down in that grass, the world is just too full to talk about. Sounds like non-duality.

Beautiful looking country! That’s a BIG river,, Looks like a good one for a canoe maybe. Yes, I’ve slept outdoors a fair amount. I recommend getting a sleeping bag rated for about 20 degrees cooler if not more, than what you’ll be sleeping out in. Usually I’ll get acclimated to the cold air after about 24 hrs. out in it. I like to dress in several light layers that can be easily taken off and on while hiking. Taking care not to break into a big sweat if possible and also to put on fresh dry socks 4-5 times a day.

@tsuki Are there any streams with trout in your area? I’ll take wintertime camping over summer camping anytime. I love the smell of breakfast cooked over a campfire. Even better is trout wrapped with tinfoil with butter, lemon, and onions thrown in and baked in coals with a side dish of some greasy, salty, fried potatoes . Also a fan of moonlight walks in forest and pastures with no additional light. Both solitude and being in nature are major elements in my life which I wouldn’t want to live without.

It's Not Time that Does the Healing by Dr. Jim Rosen ©2021 Dr. Jim Rosen Time does not heal. The healing process heals. Your willingness to do a little learning starts the process. It’s a process of releasing you from your past (things you’ve done, things that have happened, and things done to you) so you can be free of that stuff now and in your future. It’s a process of acquiring new choices and moving forward. It’s about reaching up and reaching within to your better self. Sometimes you have to shed untrue, hurtful beliefs and attitudes that have caused pain for yourself and others. Sometimes you need to learn to alter your behaviors so you can show that better self to the world. Sometimes you need to be guided to face and let go of old emotions that no longer serve you and your relationships. And sometimes you need to develop the sense of purpose and meaning in your life. All of it is walking a path that brings you more peace, more fulfillment, and makes you more alive.

Gurdjieff called man a three brained being referring to The three centers Intellectual emotional instinctual. He also referred to the four bodies,.three of which are metaphysical in addition to the physical body. Different schools refer to them by different names. The astral body, spiritual body, Divine body These are only concepts for the most part, that I’ve learned. I really don’t know KNOW. There is a bit of intuitive and some circumstantial evidence that I’ve experienced in relation to these ideas The notion of everyone consisting of a multiplicity of ego structures. Also the need for emotional purification which is pretty much our largest task here on this painfactory of a planet, as Maurice Nicoll calls it or this prison for drunks, says Rumi. In purifying the emotional or feeling center we observe how we become identified with ideas, feelings, or perspectives. These identifications are the glue which binds us to the dreamworld of spiritual sleep. Do you see the value of non attachment? Of equanimity? This is different than being detached. Being detached is similar to our mutually shared common downfall of seeking perpetual dissociation from reality. Most of us want to stay asleep because the truth hurts but it also liberates. If we remain asleep, the dream can become a nightmare. I think it is somewhat “normal” at times to become overwhelmed or depressed in trying on these ideas in relation to working on oneself. That would explain in part why esoteric knowledge has never become widely popular. At times it can definitely feel like a lonely path and maybe why Castaneda quoted Don Juan Matus saying that one has to choose a path with heart. To endure the loneliness and periodic terror, the necessity of becoming a peerless warrior. What poetry! Gurdjieff used the allegory of the Coachman, horse and carriage in describing the four bodies. Coachman is the intellectual center. Horse is the emotional center. The carriage is one’s physical body or automaton. Master in the carriage is the observer, the essential or Higher Self,,,, witness consciousness.

I’m halfway through it. Very enjoyable,,, Has commentary from Rupert Sheldrake, Dean Radin, Bruce Lipton,,,

@tsuki I was having that same Android issue last week. I found me a nice used air I Pad,,,, Reading your post just above, I thought you might find interesting a formula from the Work. Understanding is formed by 2 lines which are to be simultaneously worked on work on knowledge + work on being My own 2 cents added to this is - peace comes through understanding.

This book is about self observation but the author bares his soul in admitting to a deeper level of self deception such that I found it to be helpful for me on the topic mentioned. Below Martin Butler recommends this book as well. The book and the video as well are Fourth Way oriented so some of the jargon may be unfamiliar. Taken on their own though, I think they would be helpful for those who are really sincere in catching a glimpse of their self deceptions. It’s often tangled with a psychological blind spot which in the Fourth Way is called one’s chief feature and associated with “buffers”.

Thinking on Three Levels by Dr. Jim Rosen ©2020 Dr. Jim Rosen There are more than 3 levels or ways of thinking. But in the matter of judging or assessing the goodness of what you think, it's useful to look at three levels: (1) the passing thought; (2) the rehearsed or repeated thought; and (3) the intention to carry it out. If we talk about sexual thoughts for our example, it's easy to see these three levels. Suppose you're married or you're in a committed relationship of another sort. When you see an attractive person, it's common and normal for you to have a passing sexual thought. If you rehearse or repeat (in your mind) a sexual fantasy with that person, you're taking your thinking to the second level, and you're starting to play with fire. If you have intentions of carrying it out and going to bed with that person, you're taking your thinking to the third level. The point at which you choose to stop or alter this thinking is your responsibility. Of course you can also use the three levels in positive ways. Suppose you’ve been telling yourself something that has caused you a lot of emotional pain. And suppose you recently learned that the negative something probably isn’t true, and that a much more positive belief is worthy of your thinking. So you try it out – first as an occasional idea, then as one you repeat to yourself frequently, and finally as a more firmly held belief that you take into your daily life. Now you have a newer and healthier thinking habit. That’s the way to be!

@tsuki I agree and it WAS a bold question to ask which is uncharacteristic of my previous interactions with the Sage for the most part. The decision to ask came in a flash and with a good deal of clarity and inspiration right upon awakening out of sleep. Despite receiving a positive answer, it humbled me to a degree. Times when I’m at my boldest, I feel childlike and with little to no fear. In general and for the most part, I feel like I’m 53 going on 15. It feels right and good and if given the choice I wouldn’t want It to be different. Just going to let the stew simmer for now,,,,

Esoteric Christianity An essay written by a former Fourth Way Teacher of mine, Dwight Ott.