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I wanted to bump this thread and so I randomly picked some of the text to post. III. Love without Conflict 1. It is hard to understand what “The Kingdom of Heaven is within you” really means. ²This is because it is not understandable to the ego, which interprets it as if something outside is inside, and this does not mean anything. ³The word “within” is unnecessary. ⁴The Kingdom of Heaven is you. ⁵What else but you did the Creator create, and what else but you is His Kingdom? ⁶This is the whole message of the Atonement; a message which in its totality transcends the sum of its parts. ⁷You, too, have a Kingdom that your spirit created. ⁸It has not ceased to create because of the ego’s illusions.⁹Your creations are no more fatherless than you are. ¹⁰Your ego and your spirit will never be co-creators, but your spirit and your Creator will always be. ¹¹Be confident that your creations are as safe as you are. ¹²The Kingdom is perfectly united and perfectly protected, and the ego will not prevail against it. ¹³Amen. 2. This is written in the form of a prayer because it is useful in moments of temptation. ²It is a declaration of independence. ³You will find it very helpful if you understand it fully. ⁴The reason you need my help is because you have denied your own Guide and therefore need guidance. ⁵My role is to separate the true from the false, so truth can break through the barriers the ego has set up and can shine into your mind. ⁶Against our united strength the ego cannot prevail. 3. It is surely apparent by now why the ego regards spirit as its “enemy.” ²The ego arose from the separation, and its continued existence depends on your continuing belief in the separation. ³The ego must offer you some sort of reward for maintaining this belief. ⁴All it can offer is a sense of temporary existence, which begins with its own beginning and ends with its own ending. ⁵It tells you this life is your existence because it is its own. ⁶Against this sense of temporary existence spirit offers you the knowledge of permanence and unshakable being. ⁷No one who has experienced the revelation of this can ever fully believe in the ego again. ⁸How can its meager offering to you prevail against the glorious gift of God? 4. You who identify with your ego cannot believe God loves you. ²You do not love what you made, and what you made does not love you. ³Being made out of the denial of the Father, the ego has no allegiance to its maker. ⁴You cannot conceive of the real relationship that exists between God and His creations because of your hatred for the self you made.⁵You project onto the ego the decision to separate, and this conflicts with the love you feel for the ego because you made it. ⁶No love in this world is without this ambivalence, and since no ego has experienced love without ambivalence the concept is beyond its understanding. ⁷Love will enter immediately into any mind that truly wants it, but it must want it truly. ⁸This means that it wants it without ambivalence, and this kind of wanting is wholly without the ego’s “drive to get.” 5. There is a kind of experience so different from anything the ego can offer that you will never want to cover or hide it again. ²It is necessary to repeat that your belief in darkness and hiding is why the light cannot enter. ³The Bible gives many references to the immeasurable gifts which are for you, but for which you must ask. ⁴This is not a condition as the ego sets conditions. ⁵It is the glorious condition of what you are. 6. No force except your own will is strong enough or worthy enough to guide you. ²In this you are as free as God, and must remain so forever. ³Let us ask the Father in my name to keep you mindful of His Love for you and yours for Him.⁴He has never failed to answer this request, because it asks only for what He has already willed. ⁵Those who call truly are always answered. ⁶Thou shalt have no other gods before Him because there are none. 7. It has never really entered your mind to give up every idea you ever had that opposes knowledge. ²You retain thousands of little scraps of fear that prevent the Holy One from entering. ³Light cannot penetrate through the walls you make to block it, and it is forever unwilling to destroy what you have made. ⁴No one can see through a wall, but I can step around it. ⁵Watch your mind for the scraps of fear, or you will be unable to ask me to do so. ⁶I can help you only as our Father created us. ⁷I will love you and honor you and maintain complete respect for what you have made, but I will not uphold it unless it is true. ⁸I will never forsake you any more than God will, but I must wait as long as you choose to forsake yourself. ⁹Because I wait in love and not in impatience, you will surely ask me truly. ¹⁰I will come in response to a single unequivocal call. 8. Watch carefully and see what it is you are really asking for. ²Be very honest with yourself in this, for we must hide nothing from each other. ³If you will really try to do this, you have taken the first step toward preparing your mind for the Holy One to enter. ⁴We will prepare for this together, for once He has come, you will be ready to help me make other minds ready for Him. ⁵How long will you deny Him His Kingdom? 9. In your own mind, though denied by the ego, is the declaration of your release. ²God has given you everything. ³This one fact means the ego does not exist, and this makes it profoundly afraid. ⁴In the ego’s language, “to have” and “to be” are different, but they are identical to the Holy Spirit. ⁵The Holy Spirit knows that you both have everything and areeverything. ⁶Any distinction in this respect is meaningful only when the idea of “getting,” which implies a lack, has already been accepted. ⁷That is why we make no distinction between having the Kingdom of God and being the Kingdom of God. 10. The calm being of God’s Kingdom, which in your sane mind is perfectly conscious, is ruthlessly banished from the part of the mind the ego rules. ²The ego is desperate because it opposes literally invincible odds, whether you are asleep or awake. ³Consider how much vigilance you have been willing to exert to protect your ego, and how little to protect your right mind. ⁴Who but the insane would undertake to believe what is not true, and then protect this belief at the cost of truth? (ACIM, T-4.III.1:1–10:4) This was taken from this page- https://acim.org/acim/chapter-4/love-without-conflict/en/s/82?wid=toc
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A couple of light and breezy tunes for the early morning,,
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To get an understanding of the pre trans fallacy while learning the Spiral Dynamics model helped me to have an understanding that truly felt like resolving several disparities at once. It grew my Worldview and stretched my frame of reference. It seems that the impersonal aspects that come into play in the trans personal stage and states are often misinterpreted by others as being cold and uncaring. Just one more aspect of the pre trans fallacy. Thunderstorms have knocked out my electric. I’m pecking away on my cell phone with not a whole lot of battery left.
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Matthew 18: Jesus said - Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
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Zigzag Idiot replied to Holygrail's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
A Mystic that I’ve studied once said that in turning the other cheek that in itself can teach the other a lesson they might never forget. He also did if they hit him a second time,,, to paraphrase,,, He’d knock the shit of them. This also reminds me of Ken Wilber once saying during an interview in which they touched on being passive. “ If you’re in a bar and see Hitler and you happen to have a baseball bat,,whack the boy! -
I think it’s spot on,,,, If you have anything to share and would like to please post it here to keep this thread going,,, ?♂️
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Even though I’ve lived out of both camps and understand their perspectives It seems I unintentionally find a way to where both the SD Orange materialists and the SD Green environmentalists both eye me with suspicion. Watched this YouTube yesterday and found it more than a little interesting. Being someone who has sprayed a lot of herbicide, especially Roundup. It was disturbing even though I’ve been aware of the claims in the last couple of years against Monsanto because the herbicide seems to be more of a carcinogen than previously thought. In my I CHING reading this morning. I just got one hexagram 14- Possession in Great Measure. Here’s just a small price of it.
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"A hair's breath of difference and Heaven and Hell are set apart. Kundalini = Prana = Kundabuffer = imagination Kundalini + 3 Centered Awareness = Holy Prana = The capacity for objective Reason Imagination in the human population is an example of a gift also being a curse. As I’ve stated before, to me anyhow,this at the heart of George Gurdjieff’s message in his magnum opus All and Everything: Beelzebub’s Tales to his Grandson. An Objectively Impartial Criticism of the Life of Man. Kundalini energy is actually the culprit. It’s the cause of people becoming all big eyed and start spouting off what’s what. As if they’re the only one who actually knows. I’m not exempt from this either. I had a worse than average case of this beginning twenty years ago. The two Giants that march ahead of us, One’s own pride and vainglory clear everything ahead so we can lay down our customized bullshit born out of imagination as we stroll through. The intensity of one’s own life as it’s been lived provide the parameters and motor fuel for this highly customized roadshow. I’ve watched myself do this and it’s painful. It’s so undeniable though, that there is no place to hide. Everyone is this way. It’s behind that phenomena that shows itself as my guru is better than your guru. Or, these are all the books I’ve read and it all makes perfect sense. I don’t give a shit about the books you’ve read because the profundities that struck me in reading the books I’ve read is proof positive. But this is never stated outright. Our inner used car salesman knows better. In our own way, we’re all just a bunch of imaginary experts running around pontificating and spouting off like a roomful of drunks where everyone is talking and nobody is listening. What’s the answer? Just keep plowing on ahead but quit bullshitting yourself and observe one’s own lived life with brutal honesty. In the end it has to come from each of us anyway. The expression one’s own individuality data from one’s own Self completed Causal body. To quote Ocke de Boer: “Whatever I say about this will never be enough, but I will tell you what I think about this from my own experience and you will have to make your own disparity with that. To make your own disparity with something is to reconcile something from Reason-of-knowing to Reason-of-understanding. You need the Reason of knowing to receive an idea. You need your own individuality-data to reconcile it into your own understanding. Your understanding and real I are one, according to Orage. The expression of your own individuality needs to be third force of your life. The result of work is that knowledge becomes understanding. To learn to get our two-natured system (planetary and astral bodies) accustomed to higher states, we have to learn to become collected.” So there’s a possible road sign. The capacity for becoming collected and having inner quiet. Whenever you observe someone who can at least produce this in themselves occasionally, they are on the way. And everyone else? They haven’t truly stepped onto the path yet. They’re still starry eyed and drunk from the earth shaking, yet exquisite subtleties of their own imagination drawn out of everything which comprises their personal history.
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Thinking for oneself Being able to accurately guage other humans with a healthy feeling center/ honing intuition Being an adept in the use of duct tape and baling wire Repurposing materials into something useful and practical Knowing the language of the smile Be ok with solitude
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@Shin I copied the picture from a post you made a couple of years ago.
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Excuse me and please convey this sentiment to your dog. The dog in the above picture fascinates me. He has presence.
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Zigzag Idiot replied to BipolarGrowth's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Thank you for this kind of engaging which helps stretch my frame of reference and ability to discriminate and sometimes but not always articulate. ?✌️I’ve maybe crawfished some in order to not reach conclusions. I need to ponder some more whether what’s being pointed to is prior or beyond and the experience of it beyond or before concepts and its relation to the nous and more stuff I can’t put into words at the moment. -
Zigzag Idiot replied to BipolarGrowth's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Excuse me for disagreeing with nearly everyone on just about everything mentioned here. Doesn’t awareness and the inseparable content of awareness = monkey mind, basically? Or maybe being identified with or unable to detach from unconstrained imagination? A product or result of Centering prayer meditation as well as Zazen for many practitioners is nonconceptual awareness or as it’s sometimes called objectless awareness. What about awareness with or without being? I’ve experienced inner quiet simultaneously with a felt sense of being or presence but I wouldn’t call it a state of pure awareness although awareness was present. Pure awareness without concepts or beingness would be - the lights are on but nobody’s home,,,? I’ve experienced that before, also. -
My bad
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@Shin‘s dog just showed up out of nowhere!
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Zigzag Idiot replied to BipolarGrowth's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
There are several excerpts about awareness and pure awareness in the Ridhwan Glossary. Awareness and the Nonconceptual Pure awareness is an aware ground, an aware medium that doesn’t know what it is aware of and doesn’t discern one thing from another. By nonconceptual I do not simply mean not mental, not constructed. I mean the barest minimum of sensitivity, the ground that is simply the capacity to be aware, to perceive. Therefore, by nonconceptual we mean non-cognitive. There is perception, but there is no knowing, no cognition of any kind. Diamond Heart Book Five, pg. 355 https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/awareness Pure Awareness that is Not Aware of Itself The Absolute is a pure awareness that is not aware of itself, but it is aware of anything that comes out of itself. The moment consciousness arises, the Absolute becomes aware of it as pure light, pure radiance. So you can be the Absolute being aware of the nonconceptual. Or you can lose the Absolute and become just the nonconceptual. You can be just the nonconceptual experiencing the nonconceptual, which you experience as just pure awareness without anything to know. Or you could be the nonconceptual and be aware of the Absolute. And then you know the Absolute. That is how we can talk about the Absolute and its absence of qualities. At any level of experience, you can perceive both the more superficial realms and the next deeper realm. Except if you go to the Absolute, there’s only one way to go, which is towards the more superficial. If you are in the personal mind, there’s also only one way to go, which is towards the deeper. The Absolute is the most fundamental, and the personal mind is the most superficial. Diamond Heart Book Four, pg. 346 https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/awareness-pure -
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About 700 acres. My niece and 2 nephews are in charge of it now,,, Couldnt resist, ?
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@Raptorsin7 wasn’t sure if you were asking me about cattle and crops or @fridjonk . We still raise cattle but it’s hilly and mountainous country where I’m at which equates with thin and mostly poor soil. Crops are near impossible to grow around here. Good to see you actively posting again,,,,
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In my I CHING reading this morning I got Hexagram 13; Associating with People lines 3 & 5 creating a 2nd - hexagram; 21 Biting through. This is the commentary from line 5 of hexagram 13-
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@fridjonk ? In that second picture looks like he’s got that neck bowed up. That’s usually not a good sign,,, I appreciate the pictures. That’s a unique and beautiful part of the world. With you running sheep. I take it that there aren’t any predator problems there,,,, Can goats be raised there very well?
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Offering Freedom by Dr. Jim Rosen ©2021 Dr. Jim Rosen I’d be willing to bet that the world is not what you thought it was supposed to be and not what you wished that it were. Changing the world out there is a very daunting, if not sometimes impossible task. But there is a task you can actually do for the world quite easily. You can offer it freedom – freedom from your assumptions, from your pre-conceived ideas, from the “needs” you think you have, from your judgements of who’s good and who’s bad. Remember the law of karma. Whatever you offer to your brothers and sisters is what you receive in return. When you honor other people where they are at in their lives, wherever they are at, you’re not just accepting them for who they are now. You’re honoring and accepting the child of God who is within them. You are choosing to see the love and goodness within them, no matter what their behavior looks like. Even if their outward behavior appears abhorrent and ugly, you are deciding to look past it and instead to have faith in the beautiful being that you know is inside of them. You are now offering freedom to your brothers and sisters to be who they really are. It feels good inside of you – freeing and relieving – because at this same moment you’re offering freedom to yourself to be the love and goodness that reside in you.
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@LastThursday ? Well maybe if a couple were to work together in taming or getting work out of a donkey which in my view could represent Carlos Castenada’s Petty tyrant. Something along those lines maybe. I’ve read the symbolism of Jesus riding a donkey into Jerusalem was that Donkeys represent peace and humbleness where the horse represented an animal of war. I’m just not seeing it,,,, .Not with the donkeys I’ve known. They were nothing at all close to peaceful or humble.
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Thanks @Eternal Unity Great link you posted!
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Donkeys and Bulls Managing and caretaking of Bulls on a ranch can really be a pain sometimes. Inevitably they fight and develop a pecking order of hierarchy in regards to who is the alpha male. I’ve had bulls who were similar in body weight and bad ass attitude who fight and head butt one another through multiple barbed wire fences and even out onto a state highway. With no regard for traffic or anything outside their fury these two bulls in their fight went right down the double yellow line for a ways at times going off to one side and then back. They weighed well over a ton each and both in ill temper. Now, how do you break that fight up? Yeah, that was an interesting day. A hilarious and interesting trick I learned years ago was introducing a donkey into this mix. In essence, a six hundred pound donkey will absolutely establish his dominance over a group of bulls each weighing more than a ton each. Not all donkeys are alike though. Generally the more cantankerous the better for this particular role. Ive had bulls end up with deformed ears because of a donkey who would latch-on and have a good chew. The right kind of donkey will also balance on his front legs and like a professional boxer, ‘machine gun’ with his hind feet into the face of a stubborn bull. There will be times when the bull with his enormous weight and size will just barrel through the donkeys efforts but the donkey will not tire like the bull and dancing around with his ears sticking up will prevail by the end of the day and establish himself as the alpha male. Domestic dogs gone wild or those poorly cared for are much worse than coyotes when it comes to killing calves. Unless the cows group up in their efforts against dog attacks, the dogs can easily kill a calf and chew up some damage on a cow trying to give birth. Introduce a donkey into your cow herd though, and you will have zero problems from packs of domestic dogs behaving badly. If a dog comes into a pasture within a donkeys sight, you’ll see the donkey lay his ears back and make a beeline towards the dog. Even if it’s just a friendly dog, the donkey don’t give a shit and will go after any dog like the infamous honey badger might. Again, I must add that not all donkeys are created equal for such tasks. Among jackasses (male donkeys) anyway. I never tried employing a Jenny (female donkey). An Instinctual intuitive guess is that on average, Jacks would be best for bull management and Jenny’s would be good for running with the cow herd. As stated previously, I no longer have any management responsibilities with the family ranch. It is now seen over by my niece and two nephews. I shared the existence of this journal with my niece a while back. I can see her rolling her eyes if she were to read the opinions of those here who espouse veganism. In ways, she has attributes similar to those of donkeys in that, although she is small in size, she self initiates and shows no fear.