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I remember the phrase post coidal depression from when I was in Scientology years ago. Just having known that it’s a common phenomena has been a help at times I believe. It’s the healing just through observation thing. Now I remember. The phrase is ‘awareness is curative’ that I was trying to remember. One thing in particular about Stan Grof that I admire is his inclusion of Scientologist or probably to be more exact, ex-Scientologist and their take on things in his overall gathering of wisdom. Despite Scientology being what it is, as a cult to put it bluntly, there are interesting concepts that can be brought out of it that the conventional culture won’t even consider. Charles Tart is another who does not exclude the opinions of Scientologists. Both Tart and Grof have been and are pioneers in the field of trans personal psychology.

@kinesin As an outside spectator just running into this thread. I would say he probably strongly disagrees with how you characterized or framed his statement that you referred to. Just my guess.

To ,,,, you know who,,,,, Excuse me and never mind. ? ?‍♂️??‍♂️ ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,?

https://acourseinmiraclesnow.com/ ACIM got mentioned in Top Christian Spiritual Resources. To not overcrowd it in the long run is my reasoning for starting this. Forgiveness and letting go of greivences is not a very popular message but it's at the core of ACIM. The theme of Leo's latest video. Can you let go of things?

I’ve always felt reassured by a couple of the lines in this song. “Cause you’re the joke of the neighborhood” “Why should you care If you’re feeling good” “Well, take the long way home” “Take the long way home”

I think of Cynthia Bourgeault as the Alan Watts of our time. She was one of the first women to become an Episcopal Priest in the 1970’s. She’s been a long time student of the Gurdjieff Work and her many of her online courses are flavored from that perspective. Her books are very helpful for those who were brought up in Fundamentalist Christianity and are in need of making peace with their roots. Especially The Wisdom Jesus and The Heart of Centering Prayer. Even those who are not Christian would enjoy them IMO. Her latest book , Eye of the Heart is pretty mind blowing. She’s already pointing to the third tier of Spiral Dynamics.

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Superego - the internal critic is often the internalized voice of the father or mother. Disengaging from the Superego It is relatively easy to see that much of our opaqueness, much of our lack of openness, much of our stuckness, is due to the attacks of the superego—ours and other people’s. These are the criticisms, the put-downs, the comparisons, the judgments, the devaluations, the blaming, the shaming, the rejection, and the hatred that the superego levels at you in all kinds of situations. Here the Red latifa can specifically be used in the service of inquiry, by giving us the strength to defend against the superego. Initially, we need to defend ourselves against these attacks by directly confronting them. This can happen through challenging the superego’s authority—by telling it to back off. Such an internal confrontation requires great strength and intelligence. Later, when the Red Essence is more readily available, it becomes possible to disengage from self-judgment simply by clearly discriminating it for what it is and not going along with it. Disengaging from the superego is, in essence, a separation from your parents—the parents you long ago internalized and have lived with in your mind ever since. This disengagement allows you to see more clearly what is there in your experience, because if you’re entangled with these attacks, you won’t even know what you’re experiencing or what has caused the attack in the first place. Spacecruiser Inquiry, pg. 279 More excerpts about superego here- https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/superego A book that was a help for me Soul without Shame by Byron Brown

There’s some good talent here among us.

A couple of things I’ve found useful for being more mindful: Sensing the feet or hara. Sensing the physicality that is. Helps keep me out of my head. The feet are good because so many nerve endings plus the pressure while standing or walking makes them easier to sense. Keeping a good bit of attention on my peripheral vision. Which means split attention. It quietens the mind,,,, When done successfully I won’t have a startle response to about anything.

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Bozo the clown As a kid I never cared for Bozo the clown. Thought he was only for kids much younger than me or the simple minded. That changed as a teenager. I’m referring to the show where a bunch of kids would go into a tv studio and sit on some benches that looked like small bleachers. In between showing of cartoons Bozo would talk to the kids and ask them questions. Perhaps I had never paid enough attention but I began to have a real appreciation for Bozo’s wit. He would ask kids questions that would lock them up like a Zen koan. Questions like, “Do you like chocolate cake or is it just a pretty good day today?” Or “What’s your favorite sea creature or would you rather look out of a telescope?” Or maybe- “Do you appreciate all the great things your Mother does for you or just the really good things?” You could watch the kids hung up in bewilderment and it was hilarious. I did a google search hoping to find some more of the kind of questions he would ask but had no luck.

I noticed the Tami Simon interview with Ken Wilber, Kosmic Consciousness on the shelf behind Hameed on this video. This is a great set to have and listen to repeatedly. I had to anyway. This was about 2004. I was totally lost about 10 minutes into most of the cd’s. Slowly, over time I lost count on the number of times I replayed them . After 2 or 3 years I could finish many of Ken’s or Tami’s sentences as the interview played. On the inside of the folder is a handy index on the subjects talked about on each cd. It’s where I learned most of my knowledge on Spiral Dynamics . I was enjoying Leo’s latest video earlier today. As he talked about Spiral Dynamics, I realized I’ve had a shadow in SD blue. Actually, Leo’s talk helped me to realize more of what it is to have a shadow at one of the levels. I’m watching/listening to this video again this evening. Trying to finish it. Leo talks about leaded gasoline that was outlawed in the late seventies. I use to burn this stuff in my little motor bikes. A Honda 90 and then later a Yamaha 120. The cow trails were my one lane roads as they wove all over the ranch.

One Thing You'll Never Be Tortured By by Dr. Jim Rosen ©2021 Dr. Jim Rosen “The best thing for being sad is to learn something. That is the only thing that never fails. You may grow old and trembling in your anatomies, you may lie awake at night listening to the disorder of your veins, you may miss your only love, you may see the world about you devastated by evil lunatics, or know your honor trampled in the sewers of baser minds. There is only one thing for it then – to learn. Learn why the world wags and what wags it. That is the only thing which the mind can never exhaust, never alienate, never be tortured by, never fear or distrust, and never dream of regretting. Learning is the thing for you.” (Merlyn, the magician, speaking to young Arthur in “The Once and Future King” by T. H. White.) Perhaps there is something that you need to learn that you have been resisting instead of allowing. Accepting it, allowing it, letting it in will help calm your distress.

Another good one from Ram Dass and it’s under 40 minutes. He speaks about special relationships in the same way that ACIM does.plus much more.

This lecture is SO rich! His way of expressing complex issues and the commonly held upside-down-ness of the of the cultural consensus trance and its undoing, otherwise known as awakening, makes it more of a possibility. For the first time, or as a repeat lesson as in Self Remembering in the Gurdjieffian usage. My inspiration for expressing has outrun my capacity for doing so. I’ll have to come back and try later. ?

@LastThursday , I agree with yours and @modmyth’s sentiments regarding etiquette among the Journal writers. Perhaps some of the ideas you mentioned can be implemented at some point. You set a good example expressing what you did. Try as I may, I usually end up committing some faux pas fairly regular. In general though, it seems that behaviors here in this section of the forum are a little more civil than in some of the more high traffic areas, for the most part. How nice it would be if most everyone carried the attitude of being a placeholder for all others in times when they forget themselves,,,, Regarding the no way way, I’m reminded of something I heard the philosopher Arnold Keyserling say. He said “ The best assurance you can have that your on the way is to not know if you are. The minute one is sure and believes that they are one the way, they are not on the way whatsoever.” ???‍♂️

This is a good way to ease into it. Brad Warner paraphrased the Shobogenzo in his book - Don’t be a Jerk

I enjoy reading excerpts at random in the Ridhwan Glossary - Enjoying Inquiry The aim of inquiry, however, is not to arrive at conclusions but to enjoy the exploration and the thrill of discovery. This discovery is the unfoldment of the soul, and expresses the soul’s love of truth and reality, which itself is the expression of Being’s love of revealing itself. Spacecruiser Inquiry, pg. 19 Being Authentically and Fully Ourselves We have seen that in order for us to be authentically and fully ourselves, our identity must include the ontological depth of the soul, essential presence, and that to be presence means simply to be. When we are simply being, our experience of ourselves is direct, immediate, spontaneous, and natural, free from the influence of the thick veil of accumulated memories, ideas, ideals and images. We have also seen that conventional experience does not allow the experience of self-realization because conventional experience is virtually determined by this thick veil of personal history. We have noted that ordinarily the self cannot experience itself separately from the self-representation, and that, in fact, it experiences itself from within, and through, that representation … it now becomes clear that the veil of personal history is the self-representation. Regardless of how realistic the self representation is, it cannot contain the true reality of the self. The Point of Existence, pg. 63 Ego Structures are Always Alienated from True Being However, looked at from the dimension of Being, regardless of how mature and integrated ego is, it is always a precocious development. We have seen that the ego becomes the system that structures, and includes in its structures the ego functions. It becomes, in other words, the functional part of oneself. We have also seen that ego development is an incomplete process, short of the realization of the Personal Essence. Ego structures are always alienated from the true Being, so the functional part of oneself is separate from who one is. Thus from the perspective of Being, ego development is a development of functioning that is separate from who one is. When there is appropriate emotional development, the individual is better off than the narcissistic character we have just described. However, it is intrinsically the same kind of situation, for in both cases—normal and pathological ego development—there is dissociation from one’s Being. Pearl Beyond Price, pg. 351

This fits A poem by Red Hawk Honesty If you want to see what real honesty is look no further than the dog. The dog doesn't give a damn for looking good but will hunch the leg of the Queen's mother If it feels like it. The dog doesn't care what the hell you think, it will lick its balls in the presence of the Pope If that is what it has a mind to do. The dog does not stand on position, power, wealth or fame of any kind. He will bite the rump of the Emperor if he tries to pick up the dog's food; the dog will lift its leg on the whitewall tire Of the Prime Minister's limousine or shit on the Dalai Lama's Prayer rug because he is a dog and that is what dogs do and in some secret uncorrupted part of the self we admire this honesty in dogs, because we see it is absent in ourselves and we know that such honesty comes with a terrible price in this world.

Consulting the I CHING this morning I got hexagram 62 - Preponderance of the Small with line 4 changing creating a second hexagram 39 - Meeting Obstructions Commentary from line 4-

Touché @ilja Should have added I do appreciate the left brain, right brain perspective.

Actually, I think @Scholar said that,,, I’m not in complete agreement with that one. My assessment from one perspective is that he embodies the pancreas dominant Lunar essence type which natural energies are passive and negative. Essence type is deeper than personality traits.