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I appreciate the version of the I CHING , The Oracle of the Cosmic Way in its assessment on the notion of guilt. The collective ego is mentioned above but just as important IMO is dealing with one’s superego. More or less the internalized voice of one’s parents. Some good excerpts about superego in the following link. https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/superego

Exactly @Waken In addition to being forgiving towards others another main idea conveyed in A Course In Miracles is what you just wrote. What some call dissociation. I did a search on an ACIM site and pasted the results below for anyone who may be interested. ⬤T-4.VI Your other life has continued without interruption, and has been and always will be totally unaffected by your attempts to dissociate it. ⬤T-4.VI The separated mind cannot maintain the separation except by dissociating. ⬤T-4.VI You do not recognize them now, but what has been dissociated is still there. ⬤T-5.II His is the glory before which dissociation falls away, and the Kingdom of Heaven breaks through into its own. ⬤T-5.III He may have dissociated the Call for God, just as you have. ⬤T-5.III This dissociation is healed in both of you as you become aware of the Call for God in him, and thus acknowledge Its being. ⬤T-6.II Exclusion and separation are synonymous, as are separation and dissociation. ⬤T-6.II We have said before that the separation was and is dissociation, and that once it occurs projection becomes its main defense, or the device that keeps it going. ⬤T-6.III By teaching peace you must learn it yourself, because you cannot teach what you still dissociate. ⬤T-6.V-B These insane ideas are clearly the result of dissociation and projection. ⬤T-7.V Fear produces dissociation, because it induces separation. ⬤T-7.VI If you dissociate your mind from it you are perceiving the most powerful force in the universe as if it were weak, because you do not believe you are part of it. ⬤T-8.IV It does this simply by dissociating itself from everything. ⬤T-8.V Dissociation is not a solution; it is a delusion. ⬤T-9.VI If it is in you and can produce joy, and if you see that it does produce joy in others, you must be dissociating it in yourself. ⬤T-9.VI Therefore you can create as He did, and your dissociation will not alter this. ⬤T-10.II Unless you first know something you cannot dissociate it. ⬤T-10.II Knowledge must precede dissociation, so that dissociation is nothing more than a decision to forget. ⬤T-10.II What has been forgotten then appears to be fearful, but only because the dissociation is an attack on truth. ⬤T-10.II And you have replaced your knowledge by an awareness of dreams because you are afraid of your dissociation, not of what you have dissociated. ⬤T-10.II When what you have dissociated is accepted, it ceases to be fearful. ⬤T-10.II Yet to give up the dissociation of reality brings more than merely lack of fear. ⬤T-12.VII This leads directly to dissociation, for it represents the acceptance of two goals, each perceived in a different place; separated from each other because you made them different. ⬤T-14.VII You will realize that salvation must come to you this way, if you consider what dissociation is. ⬤T-14.VII Dissociation is a distorted process of thinking whereby two systems of belief which cannot coexist are both maintained. ⬤T-15.I Again the ego tries, and all too frequently succeeds, in doing both, by using dissociation for holding its contradictory aims together so that they seem to be reconciled. ⬤T-19.IV-D Here is your promise never to allow union to call you out of separation; the great amnesia in which the memory of God seems quite forgotten; the cleavage of your Self from you;--the fear of God, the final step in your dissociation. ⬤T-21.V Yet any part of knowledge threatens dissociation as much as all of it. ⬤W-96 Dissociated from its function now, it thinks it is alone and separate, attacked by armies massed against itself and hiding in the body’s frail support. (acim.org/acim/chapter-15/the-holy-instant-and-special-relationships/en/s/194) Taken From - https://acim.org/acim/chapter-4/the-rewards-of-god/en/s/85?wid=search&q=Dissociation

The method of inquiry in the Diamond Approach involves sitting with states of deficient emptiness. To completely allow them and even with whatever curiosity one can muster, delve into the core of these emotionally difficult states. In doing so, it’s often found that the cause of these “holes” are revealed. This revelation is accompanied by a healing of a split off part of one’s essence. An undoing of the fracture IS the healing in which an ego structure was covering up an aspect of one’s essence. It’s slow gradual work healing ‘one hole of deficient emptiness’ at a time. I’ve paraphrased the process. If you’re interested, the link below will be to a web page with more precise excerpts of this methodology. https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/theory-holes

The second force (aka denying or passive force) in the Law of Three as described by Gurdjieff seems to fit as a possibility in this topic, perhaps. Teachers of The Fourth Way often stress that this second or denying force is not necessarily bad or to be seen strictly as negative. An I axiom of this Law states that going against second force only makes it stronger. As in “That which you resist, persists”. For instance, those who struggle with an addiction get a taste of this phenomena. ////////////////////////////////////////// The Law of Three is described by Gurdjieff as "the second fundamental cosmic law". This law states that every whole phenomenon is composed of three separate sources, which are Active, Passive and Reconciling or Neutral. This law applies to everything in the universe and humanity, as well as all the structures and processes. The Three Centers in a human, which Gurdjieff said were the Intellectual Centre, the Emotional Centre and the Moving Centre, are an expression of the law of three. Gurdjieff taught his students to think of the law of three forces as essential to transforming the energy of the human being. The process of transformation requires the three actions of affirmation, denial and reconciliation. This law of three separate sources can be considered modern interpretation of early hindu Philosophy of Gunas, We can see this as Chapters 3, 7, 13, 14, 17 and 18 of Bhagavad Gita discuss Guna in their verses. [25] How the Law of Seven and Law of Three function together is said to be illustrated on the Fourth Way Enneagram, a nine-pointed symbol which is the central glyph of Gurdjieff's system. Taken from- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Way

As far as inanimate perspectives go. Through realized being and non-local consciousness it’s possible to know what it’s like to be a tire on the front of a car going 70 mph on a curvy paved road in the summertime. Or maybe a rock on the side of a mountain. There are fewer prepositional phrases that way.

I’ve written in my journal sporadically about this issue. Well, it may be on the periphery and informed by a Fourth Way perspective. I feel creative in expressing sometimes. The following are some entries from my journal. Some of which I don’t recall writing but I’ve enjoyed rereading them and through a search, gathering them together for this post. There is a little bit of redundancy between them. We’re two natured beings. Part animal and part angel. Neither one being complete. In the beginning when we think we know we need to recognize that we’re upside down and the certainty of our views need to be reassessed. We become completed beings through solar coating. Our own conscious efforts. We can become wise through lunar coating but to become Self Realized we must undergo through our own conscious efforts, solar coating. Solar Coating polishes off the angelic part of us. In becoming right side up the ego is metabolized by essence with the angel at the helm. Essential realization is just one of many phenomena that’s possible. If you start crying that’s fairly normal. Along with a recognition of a new vividness in perception. We’re two natured beings. Having a planetary body and also an energy or astral body. It is said that Feelings are the blood of the astral body I like the description that when we are thinking dominated, we radiate from the head and when our centers are balanced, we emanate from the heart center. I’ve made peace with being especially dense from time to time on certain days. Years ago this caused me a lot of insecurity and further confusion. Through understanding, I was able to let most of that just go. Maybe it was the other way around? I let it go and then achieved some understanding. I don’t know. Understanding comes about through beginners mind and maybe vice versa.,,,? When the emotional center is purified and we are free from guilt and also don’t overthink everything, we perceive accurately with our feelings. Feelings become intuition and eventually become clairvoyance. The energetic (astral) body as well as our planetary bodies have signature vibrations. Almaas describes us as fields of impressionability. For me, this aligns with Conscience being defined as the intelligence of the universe The difference between uncontrolled imagination and creative imagination. The way I understand it, purification of the emotional center is the key between creative imagination in Causal realm manifesting and magical thinking run amuck in our uncontrolled thoughts and day dreams produced by undisciplined 'monkey mind'. W e"re two natured beings. The kedsjan (Astral) and the energy body in which the physical body dominates with its own wants and desires. As Terence Mekenna says "We are angels who have a Siamese twin who is a monkey growing out of our chest." Purifying the emotional center gives the Astral body the capacity to be able to boss around the physical body with the 3 lower chakras sometimes referred to in the Work as the Automaton. "This is the difference between us and the angels. Angels are perfectly made and, therefore, naive and stupid; they can only do what they are made for. Humans have many more possibilities. There is more joy in heaven for one perfected human being than for a thousand angels." - Ocke de Boer

I rarely watch or listen to the news anymore. That’s one reason I didn’t hear about the death of ZZ Top Bassist, Dusty Hill, a few days ago. Billy Gibbons plays lead and sings. Frank Beard plays drums. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dusty_Hill Billy Gibbons confirmed that ZZ Top would continue with Elwood Francis, the band's longtime guitar tech, on bass, per Hill's wishes.[22] According to Gibbons, "Dusty emphatically grabbed my arm and said, 'Give Elwood the bottom end, and take it to the Top.' He meant it, amigo. He really did."[22] - From Wikipedia

Before transcending ego we have to develop a healthy ego to transcend. Try to take the long view when you start to feel overwhelmed. It’s easier said than done. Avoid reaching conclusions. Reaching conclusions quickly makes one miserable. At times, everyone projects onto others. Study psychological projection. Try to observe and catch your own projections. Projection is involved in a good deal of what in the Fourth Way is called Inner considering. Abandon self criticism. Of course all of this is easier said than done,,,, I was going to paste the song Perfect by the Artist Pink. YouTube wouldn’t let me though because it’s age restricted. Here’s the clean version. Four poems by Arnold Keyserling Meaning You will come to your senses and discover yourself, when you finally and forever abandon self-pity and self-criticism. Authenticity Complete honesty requires a clear acknowledgement of your own style. The New People will recognize one another by their authenticity and the values that they embody. Truth Only that truth which is recognized by all can become a fellow-being. You should grow up around your grievous mistakes like a tree, and let them be, until one day they become a part of your strength, and they no longer hinder your ascent. Thinking is a force, feeling leads to new motivations. Remain receptive to both and truth will become attainable. Truth is that knowledge which becomes one with being. You will become one with being when all of your burdens and loves, objects and fears, sorrows and joys have found their place in the whole. Sorrow No one would make the decisive step without sorrow and doubt. But taking that step has nothing to do with sadness. It is shed like the skin of a snake. The darkness is able to generate the right reason, one more difficult, but also better, than the next. But it will not always be so. Some day love will shine upon you. Then sorrow will simply be the undertone of the resulting harmony. The path is there from the very beginning. Sometimes it is easier, sometimes harder. But one thing is essential: the depth emerges from the strength of sorrow. Without sorrow there is no course; without the course the path is not passable. Mourn – not over the self – but over what is yet to be done. Each day brings further sorrows, and eventually you will reach the original cause of sorrow. Then you can finally begin the ascent back. Rejoice in your sorrow, for the darkness will not remain with you much longer. From - https://schoolofwisdom.com/visions-and-poems/ And lastly, every now and then - Be Outrageous !!!

In the spirit of the Socratic method. I wanted to leave some rhetorical answers as just food for thought to the rhetorical questions. Just for fun! Two people sitting together for hours in silence could be an indicator of two people who have quieted their minds and communicate with one another through the presence of their Being. Couldn’t resist posting this clip about “brother Sez” and “brother Ahl”. Neo Shamanism has practices called non-doing practices which cultivate Being. Boredom is sometimes the result of not being present which is the antithesis of Being. The more one can be present and fulfilled through the practice and art of non-doing the further away from the state of boredom one gets. The ability to give up doing anything and be content and fulfilled is at the pinnacle of achievement in a human life experience on Earth. Ram Dass quoted a Hindu Mystic who stated that death was not a traumatic event at all. Just the opposite. The Mystic stated that when death of the body occurred, it was like taking off a pair of shoes which were uncomfortably tight.

The natural result of Love being the perceptual filter with which the World is experienced is Mercy.

Loneliness by Dr. Jim Rosen ©2021 Dr. Jim Rosen When the circumstances of your life are making you lonely… When there doesn’t seem to be a way out of loneliness… it can feel like an attack on your worth as a person. And it can bring an array of negative emotions. You may feel empty, like there is a big hole inside of you where something is missing. You may feel afraid that you’ll never get the friends and love you need. And there are hurt feelings, because you think your loneliness means there’s something wrong with you and if you were a better person, you wouldn’t be lonely. And there can be anger – anger at the world for putting you in this situation, anger toward yourself, anger toward the people who don’t come around to fill that empty place. Now take your mind to the source of those painful emotions. You think it’s the loneliness, but it’s not the loneliness; it’s your interpretation of it. It’s your belief that you’re not worthy. It’s your idea that your inner self is lacking. You have to rid your mind of that junk and walk the path of healing and come to the place of self-worth. Your worth is a given, but you have to give it to yourself; you have to acknowledge your worthiness. In other words, you have to make the truth true in your own mind. The truth is not determined by a lack of other people in your life. The truth does not depend on anything going on or not going on out there. So you correct your thinking and move it to the place where you accept your worth as right and real. You deliberately and intentionally give these thoughts to yourself. This leads you to appreciate yourself, lonely or not. This enables you handle what life brings. Dr. Jim Rosen is a PhD Clinical Psychologist. He is an experienced psychotherapist, hypnotherapist, and couples counselor. He offers treatment for anxiety disorders, panic attacks, depression, relationship problems, self-esteem issues, assertiveness training, anger control, stress management, and overcoming the effects of sexual, physical, and emotional trauma.

I’ve got dry irritated skin this evening. Changing a fuel pump on my grandfather’s Ford pickup this afternoon I got soaked with gas along with getting a face full of it when I disconnected a line. Live and learn,,,, This morning I just received just one hexagram in my I CHING consultation. I’ve pasted only a part of the general commentary from The Oracle of the Cosmic Way.

My vision this morning became scattered as I tried to share it. Here is my partial expression of it anyway for whatever it’s worth. Concepts to ponder while listening to the above from Bruce Lipton In A Course In Miracles it states - This is a course in mind training (ACIM, T-1.VII.4:1) In the Fourth Way it is taught that Conscience is buried in the subconscious. Bruce Lipton quoting Einstein- “The field is the sole governing agency of the particle.” A.H. Almaas - Defines the soul as a field of impressionability. Awakened Conscience allows objective consciousness. Seeing the truth can be painful and cause the ego to die. Three steps and three components physical - emotional - intellectual Awaken, then die. Be born again. The impermanence romantic love is because the intellectual-emotional complex is not grounded in the body. It is two centered awareness. The law of Three states balancing the three centers results in a fourth manifestation. This is how we get Teflon coated and become creators as well. This is Three centered awareness. Balancing the three centers bestows the capacity for creating and perceiving existence through Love. Marianne Williamson quoting ACIM - “Forgiveness is Remembrance.” If you’ve warmed up to my chaotic notes above you may enjoy the YouTube I pasted below.

I misspoke here. This is from the first page of my journal. Being is not who I am. Being is something I have. It is only through 3 centered awareness that I can have my being and through that, possibly increase the being I have when the mind is in the heart. The degree of Being we have constantly fluctuates. This is something for everyone to verify for themselves.

Growth hierarchies and dominance hierarchies. Greens refusal of all hierarchies disturbs the practicality of those in blue. It understandably creates confusion and fear and throws gas on the fire of the culture war. Ken Wilber makes other points here that could also be elaborated on.

The willingness to be paradoxical is also a sign of inner security and strength. The Guts to Need Somebody by Dr. Jim Rosen ©2021 Dr. Jim Rosen She was having a hard time but didn't "need anybody," she said. She believed that "needing somebody is a weakness." She was mistaken. Needing somebody is a sign of being able to trust. It's a sign of allowing love in and allowing yourself to really love another. Needing somebody is being strong enough to admit your humanness, i.e., that you can handle life better if you add the wisdom and know-how of other people. Needing somebody is having the guts to open up and be emotionally available to the ones you care about. It's being secure enough with yourself that you expose your imperfections. Needing somebody is a sign of inner security and courage. It takes a secure person to give your heart into the hands of another. It takes courage to rely on someone else. When something is difficult to do but you do it, or hard to achieve but you achieve it, then it is an indication of strength.

Leo’s latest video encapsulated in a song. This will be difficult for some to sit with or not roll your eyes. I’m not looking for responses to this post because of the intrinsic message that I don’t need your damned validation but if you feel you have to respond then go ahead. There’s a part of my inner child that’s just a mean little shit.

@StarfoxEpiphany Could be you're projecting some.

@Windappreciator ??? Who understands why Leo laughed in the post above.

1) Naive is my middle name. 2) True, I get what you say. I agree.

@Utkarsh_ By mistake, I’ve done the same thing in the past. There is a link giving you the option at the bottom to hide your posts which are mistakes. I’ll use that option after while and hide this post. Welcome to the forum by the way. Hi @Preety_India ✌️ Just trying to help the new member and make them feel welcome,,,,

That’s not what I meant. Respectfully, I think you might miss-understand Wilber’s perspective slightly . I could be wrong or misinterpreting your statement though. I’m not blaming Green and I agree with your view of the MAGA conservatives but Green needs to wise up and find better skillful means which has a chance of neutralizing the growth of hatred from lower levels perhaps. @Windappreciator , I agree.

If you don’t understand constructs in object relations theory, you can’t get into spirituality. I wrote this down in a notebook on 11-11-13. Having run across it today in a notebook. I remember the profundity of it. Today it would probably be worded different. Perhaps using the term ego structure in trying to relay this idea. Ego structures are created out of images of self representation. More likely though I would just choose an excerpt from this page - https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/ego-structures or maybe this one - https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/object-relations

Quotes about Narcissism of Everyday Life Approaching the Dimension of Essential Presence We Inevitably Confront the Narcissism Inherent in Our Disconnection from that Presence When a person is working on self-realization, this narcissism is increasingly exposed; in fact, it is usually aggravated for some time. When we approach the dimension of essential presence we inevitably confront the narcissism inherent in our disconnection from that presence. The success of the work on self-realization depends, to a great degree, upon successfully resolving the arousal and intensification of narcissistic manifestations. The narcissism of everyday life is much more ubiquitous, much deeper, and much more significant than we usually allow ourselves to see. However, it dissolves steadily in the deeper stages of self-realization. Full self-realization completely eliminates this narcissism, for it is not natural to the realized self The Point of Existence, pg. 27 Complete Resolution of Narcissism Requires that We Cease to use Self-representations for Self-recognition Before we embark on this exploration, we need to address the significance of the above discussion with respect to narcissism. Our observation that the deepest root of narcissism is the absence of self-realization and the additional observation that in full self-realization the normal sense of identity dissolves, combine to give us a deep insight about narcissism: The presence of the normal identity is the root of narcissism. This implies two further insights, at different levels of the self. The first is that not only is normal identity fundamentally weak and vulnerable, but its very existence is responsible for this weakness, and thus it cannot become completely stable. In other words, the normal self (or more accurately, the ego-self) is inherently narcissistic because its identity is inherently weak and vulnerable. This weakness is due to the inevitable incompleteness of the self-representation, and therefore cannot be eliminated as long as the self-representation forms our sense of identity. Second, since the fundamental narcissism of everyday life is an expression of normal identity, complete resolution of narcissism requires that we cease to use self-representations for self-recognition. The Point of Existence, pg. 129 No Conventional Self is Ever Free from the Narcissism of Everyday Life (Fundamental Narcissism) We call this fundamental narcissism “the narcissism of everyday life” for no conventional self is ever free from it. However, this may bring up the question of how this dissolution of identity is related to the condition of fragmentation or disintegration of identity, which is, under normal circumstances, a manifestation of pathological narcissism. The main difference between the “death of the self” in self-realization and the disintegration of identity in pathological narcissism is that the former is a developmental achievement based on the greater strength and flexibility of identity, while the latter is a developmental difficulty resulting from an extreme weakness and brittleness of the identity. There is no sense of the normal self in both conditions, but the former is a state of equanimity of the self for being fully itself, so fully itself that there is no need for self-reflection, while the latter is a painful and deficient state of the self, where it feels disconnected from its depth and fullness. The former is a state of self recognition not based on any representation, for it is recognizing what is actually present, while the latter is a state where there is no self-recognition of any kind. The Point of Existence, pg. 525 The Experience of Ego Cannot be Devoid of Narcissism As has been amply demonstrated by object relations theory, since all ego structures are based on identifications with impressions from the past, it is clear that the experience of ego cannot be devoid of narcissism. Thus the conventional dimension of experience, which is deeply patterned by these structures (whether healthy or pathological), includes an intrinsic narcissism. Everyone knows that he has some measure of selfishness, self-reference, a need to be seen and appreciated, a deep wish for esteem and admiration from others, and some distortion in his self-concepts. Although we are accustomed to thinking of these traits as normal, they are in fact narcissistic phenomena. They are universal to all non-realized individuals, reflecting the fundamental narcissism that is the result of not knowing oneself on a deep level. This is what we call the “narcissism of everyday life” or “fundamental narcissism.” The Point of Existence, pg. 26

Just kidding. kinda