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@Windappreciator ??? Who understands why Leo laughed in the post above.

1) Naive is my middle name. 2) True, I get what you say. I agree.

@Utkarsh_ By mistake, I’ve done the same thing in the past. There is a link giving you the option at the bottom to hide your posts which are mistakes. I’ll use that option after while and hide this post. Welcome to the forum by the way. Hi @Preety_India ✌️ Just trying to help the new member and make them feel welcome,,,,

That’s not what I meant. Respectfully, I think you might miss-understand Wilber’s perspective slightly . I could be wrong or misinterpreting your statement though. I’m not blaming Green and I agree with your view of the MAGA conservatives but Green needs to wise up and find better skillful means which has a chance of neutralizing the growth of hatred from lower levels perhaps. @Windappreciator , I agree.

If you don’t understand constructs in object relations theory, you can’t get into spirituality. I wrote this down in a notebook on 11-11-13. Having run across it today in a notebook. I remember the profundity of it. Today it would probably be worded different. Perhaps using the term ego structure in trying to relay this idea. Ego structures are created out of images of self representation. More likely though I would just choose an excerpt from this page - https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/ego-structures or maybe this one - https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/object-relations

Quotes about Narcissism of Everyday Life Approaching the Dimension of Essential Presence We Inevitably Confront the Narcissism Inherent in Our Disconnection from that Presence When a person is working on self-realization, this narcissism is increasingly exposed; in fact, it is usually aggravated for some time. When we approach the dimension of essential presence we inevitably confront the narcissism inherent in our disconnection from that presence. The success of the work on self-realization depends, to a great degree, upon successfully resolving the arousal and intensification of narcissistic manifestations. The narcissism of everyday life is much more ubiquitous, much deeper, and much more significant than we usually allow ourselves to see. However, it dissolves steadily in the deeper stages of self-realization. Full self-realization completely eliminates this narcissism, for it is not natural to the realized self The Point of Existence, pg. 27 Complete Resolution of Narcissism Requires that We Cease to use Self-representations for Self-recognition Before we embark on this exploration, we need to address the significance of the above discussion with respect to narcissism. Our observation that the deepest root of narcissism is the absence of self-realization and the additional observation that in full self-realization the normal sense of identity dissolves, combine to give us a deep insight about narcissism: The presence of the normal identity is the root of narcissism. This implies two further insights, at different levels of the self. The first is that not only is normal identity fundamentally weak and vulnerable, but its very existence is responsible for this weakness, and thus it cannot become completely stable. In other words, the normal self (or more accurately, the ego-self) is inherently narcissistic because its identity is inherently weak and vulnerable. This weakness is due to the inevitable incompleteness of the self-representation, and therefore cannot be eliminated as long as the self-representation forms our sense of identity. Second, since the fundamental narcissism of everyday life is an expression of normal identity, complete resolution of narcissism requires that we cease to use self-representations for self-recognition. The Point of Existence, pg. 129 No Conventional Self is Ever Free from the Narcissism of Everyday Life (Fundamental Narcissism) We call this fundamental narcissism “the narcissism of everyday life” for no conventional self is ever free from it. However, this may bring up the question of how this dissolution of identity is related to the condition of fragmentation or disintegration of identity, which is, under normal circumstances, a manifestation of pathological narcissism. The main difference between the “death of the self” in self-realization and the disintegration of identity in pathological narcissism is that the former is a developmental achievement based on the greater strength and flexibility of identity, while the latter is a developmental difficulty resulting from an extreme weakness and brittleness of the identity. There is no sense of the normal self in both conditions, but the former is a state of equanimity of the self for being fully itself, so fully itself that there is no need for self-reflection, while the latter is a painful and deficient state of the self, where it feels disconnected from its depth and fullness. The former is a state of self recognition not based on any representation, for it is recognizing what is actually present, while the latter is a state where there is no self-recognition of any kind. The Point of Existence, pg. 525 The Experience of Ego Cannot be Devoid of Narcissism As has been amply demonstrated by object relations theory, since all ego structures are based on identifications with impressions from the past, it is clear that the experience of ego cannot be devoid of narcissism. Thus the conventional dimension of experience, which is deeply patterned by these structures (whether healthy or pathological), includes an intrinsic narcissism. Everyone knows that he has some measure of selfishness, self-reference, a need to be seen and appreciated, a deep wish for esteem and admiration from others, and some distortion in his self-concepts. Although we are accustomed to thinking of these traits as normal, they are in fact narcissistic phenomena. They are universal to all non-realized individuals, reflecting the fundamental narcissism that is the result of not knowing oneself on a deep level. This is what we call the “narcissism of everyday life” or “fundamental narcissism.” The Point of Existence, pg. 26

Just kidding. kinda

I remember watching this when it first came out. Rarely did I miss one of his HBO specials. Perhaps Carlin’s comments on education lay the groundwork for how Trumps election came about. If he were alive during the Trump presidency. I have no doubt that he would have absolutely shredded Trump as well as Trump’s supporters. Aside from this. One of his quotes I remember from his book - Braindroppings. - “Sometimes a Little Brain Damage Can Help.”

@Matthew85 That’s great that you were able to attend some of his workshops. My opinion about Hawkins is just about like yours. Years ago I started with his book Power vs. Force then for a couple of years just lived with the two below reading them multiple times. A while back here on the forum some people said they were really turned off by his scale of consciousness. In a way I can understand their perspective but taking everything together I’m still really impressed by all his work.

Although not permanent, one pressure point therapy session immediately straightens my posture. How long it lasts depends basically on how conscious I stay during the lifting of heavy objects and doing hard work.

A massage therapist who is familiar with pressure point therapy can help with that. That’s the path I’m on because I have a friend who is a gifted massage therapist. I know that permanent correction is out of the question for me due to old injuries combined with habitual wear and tear. As time goes by I seem to require fewer visits per year though. A good Chiropractor who isn’t driven primarily over making a dollar is probably your best find if you can find one. Just my opinion though.

In the Science of Idiotism, God is at the highest degree of Reason - #21 Unique Idiot. Just sayin,,, In regards to worry. Terence McKenna - “Worry is preposterous. Worry is praying to the Devil.” Sometimes I still forget though and catch myself worrying.

I’ve stated before that I don’t care that much for contemporary country music. This song came out when I was 13 or 14. Regardless of the message in the lyrics. I’ve always thought he had a good voice as did my father. I remember the conversation where we were in agreement about it.

Radical honesty can be both a blessing and a curse. When one demands on speaking their truth regardless of the consequences and it just causes hurt and consternation. How does that benefit? It might help a situation on rare occasions but when expressed regardless of others feelings it can often lead things into a downward spiral. The following advice was given by Cynthia Bourgeault in an online course. I think it is somewhat applicable to this thread. /////////////////////////////////////////////////// Rather than moving too quickly to criticize and judge, you can exercise respect by practicing conscious speech. Before rushing to respond, stop, ground, take a couple of conscious breaths, then ask yourself these four questions: Does it need to be said? Does it need to be said now? Is it my place to say it? Can it be said with kindness? //////////////////////////////////////////////////////// I would do well to remember these four points. Like most of us though, I often forget myself and insist on having my say because of my being reactive and impulsive.

It can’t be helped When you’re honest You are beautiful

I’m going to have to delete this last one shortly out of decorum, respect for the forum, and to free up space for worthy attachments.

Gone ?

Trust me, you don’t want to do this. I had a friend who punched the corpse of another friend of mine over a personal issue and it did not help matters at all.

Anyway it’s All in good fun just giving creative expression to my more expressive side ????

Besides some frivolous posts, I’ve gone back and deleted many of the excerpts from the I Ching; The Oracle of the Cosmic Way that I’ve received in my consultations with the Oracle in order to make room for attachments in the present. In my consultation this morning I received hexagram 12 - Being Halted with lines 4 & 6 changing which resulted in a second hexagram of 8 - Holding Together. Below is only a portion of the commentary on hexagram 8 which I thought many might possibly find of interest.

True again. ACIM is some of my favorite hearsay regarding Christianity although the language is sometimes patriarchal and at times a bit cryptic. A small section in the back is just titled Jesus - Christ. Since we’re on the topic,,,, I’m having a laugh thinking that I may be playing Devils advocate this evening on the topic of Jesus Christ,,,, https://acim.org/acim/clarification/jesus--christ/en/s/856?wid=toc 5. Jesus – Christ 1. There is no need for help to enter Heaven for you have never left. ²But there is need for help beyond yourself as you are circumscribed by false beliefs of your Identity, which God alone established in reality. ³Helpers are given you in many forms, although upon the altar they are one. ⁴Beyond each one there is a Thought of God, and this will never change. ⁵But they have names which differ for a time, for time needs symbols, being itself unreal. ⁶Their names are legion, but we will not go beyond the names the course itself employs. ⁷God does not help because He knows no need. ⁸But He creates all Helpers of His Son while he believes his fantasies are true. ⁹Thank God for them for they will lead you home. 2. The name of Jesus is the name of one who was a man but saw the face of Christ in all his brothers and remembered God. ²So he became identified with Christ, a man no longer, but at one with God. ³The man was an illusion, for he seemed to be a separate being, walking by himself, within a body that appeared to hold his self from Self, as all illusions do. ⁴Yet who can save unless he sees illusions and then identifies them as what they are? ⁵Jesus remains a Savior because he saw the false without accepting it as true. ⁶And Christ needed his form that He might appear to men and save them from their own illusions. 3. In his complete identification with the Christ–the perfect Son of God, His one creation and His happiness, forever like Himself and One with Him–Jesus became what all of you must be. ²He led the way for you to follow him. ³He leads you back to God because he saw the road before him, and he followed it. ⁴He made a clear distinction, still obscure to you, between the false and true. ⁵He offered you a final demonstration that it is impossible to kill God’s Son; nor can his life in any way be changed by sin and evil, malice, fear or death. 4. And therefore all your sins have been forgiven because they carried no effects at all. ²And so they were but dreams.³Arise with him who showed you this because you owe him this who shared your dreams that they might be dispelled.⁴And shares them still, to be at one with you. 5. Is he the Christ? ²O yes, along with you. ³His little life on earth was not enough to teach the mighty lesson that he learned for all of you. ⁴He will remain with you to lead you from the hell you made to God. ⁵And when you join your will with his, your sight will be his vision, for the eyes of Christ are shared. ⁶Walking with him is just as natural as walking with a brother whom you knew since you were born, for such indeed he is. ⁷Some bitter idols have been made of him who would be only brother to the world. ⁸Forgive him your illusions, and behold how dear a brother he would be to you. ⁹For he will set your mind at rest at last and carry it with you unto your God. 6. Is he God’s only Helper? ²No, indeed. ³For Christ takes many forms with different names until their oneness can be recognized. ⁴But Jesus is for you the bearer of Christ’s single message of the Love of God. ⁵You need no other. ⁶It is possible to read his words and benefit from them without accepting him into your life. ⁷Yet he would help you yet a little more if you will share your pains and joys with him, and leave them both to find the peace of God. ⁸Yet still it is his lesson most of all that he would have you learn, and it is this: ⁹There is no death because the Son of God is like his Father. ¹⁰Nothing you can do can change Eternal Love.¹¹Forget your dreams of sin and guilt, and come with me instead to share the resurrection of God’s Son. ¹²And bring with you all those whom He has sent to you to care for as I care for you. (ACIM, C-5.1:1–6:12)

@kieranperez True. When discovered the Gospel of Thomas provided some more circumstantial evidence ,,,,, Another interesting possibility or perspective is Jesus’ lost years. 12 - 29 years old. Some say he had Teachers in India and possibly traveled to Britain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unknown_years_of_Jesus

Behold Yourself by Dr. Jim Rosen ©2021 Dr. Jim Rosen Instead of focusing on the tiny speck of negative in your brothers and sisters, look at the ocean of light and love coming from them. Each and every one of them is a cherished and fully worthy child of God. Each and everyone have the love of God within. Don’t see it in others? Then you don’t see it in yourself either. You think of yourself as unworthy. See it in a select group, but you don’t see it in all? Then you are denying the truth. The truth is real whether you choose to see it or not. The sunlight of God’s love is there, in all, even when obscured by dark clouds of fear, guilt and anger. Brush the clouds away in your mind. And see the light and love and goodness in all your brothers and sisters. Behold your Self through the eyes of love.