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4-11-2019 53 Developing the True Self Lines 3&4 12 Being Halted From changing line 3 - The I CHING's council to "undertake something" always means INNER action, specifically saying the inner NO to what is incorrect, both in oneself and others. Changing line 4 also echoes the need for saying the inner NO to incorrect behavior as well as any kind of blame pointed at oneself or others. ,,,,,, "there is no longer any basis for discord."
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Ive started watching this- Removed the looney tunes Spiral Dynamics Coral meme video that was here. Want no part of it. I just enjoyed a short 10 minute one on Coral that I'll paste underneath. Don't let his quirky sense of humor drive you away in the beginning.,,, It gets better.
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This has been my experience- A part of you knew he was going to do this as it unfolded. Mechanical thinking and behavior that is so predictable it drives you bezerk. ,,, How lucky you are! You're a part of a small percentage who don't bullshit about their own hatred. Very much an experience in my life is/was carrying hatred. I left the present tense adverb in because I'm not above it. We couldn't feel hatred if we didn't have a heart. I understand about taking the forum in small doses at times and think it's wise.
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4-10-2019 58 The Joyful Lines 1,3,4 48 The Well
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Reaching conclusions can cause unhappiness. Conclusions are also often judgements or require judgements that are unnecessary. This is taking a frozen past and adding to the frozen future of the collective ego. "The wheel becomes a spiral of our renewal. It shows me where I need to need to work and integrate. In addition to being a tool for integration the Wheel is a map of Dimensions. "With eash festival we renew ourselves in a different way." Says, Wilhelmina Keyserling In the YouTube just above discussing the Wheel The following from Chance and Choice summarizes a lot of the YouTube. The spatial rituals can still be found in the Native American tribes. In their cosmogony we find a non-dual AWARENESS beyond name and form: The Great Spirit, ("Wakan" in Lakota) that divides into the Infinite and the Eternal. This is the Zero and, according to Hyemeyohsts Storm and others, the shamans who knew in Native American culture were called the Zero Chiefs. THE GREAT SPIRIT THE INFINITETHE ETERNAL SpaceTime The Great MotherThe Great Father YinYang Both the Infinite and the Eternal are creators. Both are beyond numeric order in the formless realm of the Zero. They are originators of number and form. Their Yin or Yang quality prevails in the whole of creation. Their duality maintains the created world through the eight directions that connect us to the infinite. 1 E In the East, at Dawn the sun shines - heaven rises. It is the direction of renewal, of revelation and enlightenment by the spirit of creation. The Power of the East is Fire. In the I Ching it is the trigram of Awareness, the sign of heaven. 2 W In the West at dusk the earth rises. Eventually you will lie down for sleep in a horizontal position. The whole body is in touch with the earth. You relinquish all worries and thoughts of the day. Letting go and becoming empty makes you receptive. In deep sleep you receive and integrate the germs of light from all suns in the Universe, the stars. Integrate here means affirming. The Power of the West is the Minerals and Stones, epitomized by the Crystals. It means to let go and to affirm. The correspondence is with the I Ching trigram Willing, which is also the sign of the earth. The West Powers help clarify your life's work. 3 S South is midday. You need to shine as the sun at midday, to trust in yourself and others - to trust in Soul. You need the innocence of a child, forgetting the failures of the past. The spirit of the South bestows innocence and trust, attributes of plant-like trust in growth. In the course of the year the Southpoint is the winter equinox, the festival of the innocent child. The Power of the South is in plants, in Trees. It is a little different in Africa where this Power is exemplified by Water, not Trees. In the I Ching the South is the trigram of Soul. 4 N The North - thinking - relates us to the animal world, our teachers in strategy. The spirit of the North bestows wisdom and clarity, if our thinking surges from the polar star - right brain inspiration - to merge again with its center. It is the wisdom in doing. Animals are the Power of the North. In Africa it is called the Power of Nature, including the animals and more. In the I Ching it is the trigram of Thinking. 5 C Center/Down. If you direct your attention to the four directions, and also to front-back-left-right, you will necessarily center yourself. Five signifies your centered self and that of all others who are centered. In the esoteric traditions humanity is always identified with the number five. Its Power is the Sacred Earth. There is no I Ching correspondence. Centered also means to be an axis between heaven and earth. But to become a co-creator of evolution you need the support of the spirits 6, 7, 8 and 9. 6 SE Six are the teachers of humanity, the Ancestors who paved the spiritual path up to the present. They make for a continuity in spiritual evolution of human history. In the South East everyone can discover and establish contact with his or her ancestors. This may mean more that your personal relations To a musician it might be the spirit of Bach, to a mathematician the ancestral link might be to Pythagoras, to others it might be Albert Schweitzer, Jesus Christ, Moses, or whoever gives you strength and understanding to follow your own path. The ancestor you find will include you in the spiritual family and link you to the "Golden Chain". They paved the way for your special work on earth. They do not give you directions, you Create your own, but they give you strength to pioneer your new link in the chain. The Power of the South East is the Ancestors and its trigram is Spirit. 7 SW Seven are the spirits of our physical world of incarnated existence: the Elementals. Here the elements - Earth, Air, Water and Fire - are part of our survival, our health, our daily activities and success. As with the seven chakras they represent our agents operating in three realms - Body, Soul and Spirit. On the dream level in the West in fairytales they are called Trolls - spirits of the soil (sensing) who maintain our existence; Dwarfs - spirits of the air (thinking) who help us to surmount obstacles; Fairies - spirits of the waters (feeling) who stimulate our power of wish and endeavor; Elves - spirits of fire (willing), of serenity and joy, who help us to celebrate life as a luminous dream. In Africa and South America they are called the Kontomble. These Nature Spirits can give you courage to go forward into the unknown. The Power of the South West is thus the Natural Spirits and the trigram is Body. 8 NW Eight embodies the principle of underlying consistency in the midst of change. Like the Wheel it is the grid or underlying structure in which change takes place. This is the structure which remains constant while all else changes. We feel this as a deep desire for harmony, for participation in a kind of infinite stability. The spirits of the North West have been defined as angels or cosmic helpers who bridge the finite and the infinite. We contact them to base our transitory actions on the underlying eternal laws. In this way we generate harmony in ourselves and our surroundings. It is the Power of Angels and the trigram of Feeling. 9 NE Nine are the inspirers, the agents of change in the microcosm, the macrocosm, as well as in the human world of speech, action and experience. The combination of nine faculties generates all possible action and mutation. As Gurdjieff said, "whoever understands the nine can do". The North East, which lies between the enlightening inspiration of the East and the wisdom of the North, conveys the ninefold actualizing inspiration by which we become co-creators in evolution. These inspirers were called the "Muses". They empower our ninefold faculty of actualization. It is the Power of the Muses and the I Ching trigram of Sensing. 10 C Center/Up. With the Ten we anchor our mind in the center. We are in communion with above and below, heaven and earth. We invoke the spirit of the "Being in the Universe". He/She is the archetype of the possible human, of humanity. She/He is the aspect of the divine in whose image we are fashioned, the mold. In the center we invoke the sacred unifying power. There is no trigram correspondence.
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4-9-2019 42 Increasing Line 5 27 Nourishing
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You outed yourself and didn't have to. That's huge,,,, Don't beat yourself up. Have another last cigarette as a fuck you to the Super ego. Youve already demonstrated an ability to suffer Consciously. Don't self criticize. Whatever you fight makes it stronger. See something absurd about it that you can laugh about. We're all FOR you!
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You're right. Expressing negative emotions doesn't do anything but dirty our inner world. This World sucks. (Beam me up Scotty) There is goodness within us. Encountering negativity after a blissful state can sometimes make the blissful state seem unreal. It's not. Goodness does exist.
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4-8-2019 30 Attaining Clarity
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@now is foreverThanks for letting me bug you. ???
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@now is foreverI went to the google doc our reading group shared and refreshed my memory. We decided the riddle has to do with psychological buffers everyone has that camouflages our many "i's". Actually I only brought it up because it was the first German text that came to mind to counter your phrase. It's a little synchronous for me ,,,,though. TMI but I'm glad I researched it and found where I also expressed a realization about Gurdjieff himself and nondual realized people in general. From google doc of an online reading of Beelzebub. JH - Seems to me it’s a whiplash that you learn to hide. Maybe not even knowing you’re hiding what’s been ingrained into you. DS - JH, That sounds like a buffer! I,m pondering. JH - I accept it’s a buffer. DS - The Specificness of their psyche could possibly be -self-contradiction- which is seen in the song they sing. Buffers keep us from seeing contradictory small i’s in ourselves. Casswiki has a link to a good article about buffers. DS - After pondering, self-contradiction isn't really working out. Unless it is specified as unconscious self-contradiction. I've considered how seemingly contradictory B/G was with his tone regarding Patriarchality and Religiousness. People with nondual consciousness can appear to be irrational. Gurdjieff didn't seem to care if others saw him as contradicting himself. I digress. Associated with the concept of buffers, what was the Specificness of their psyche as a result of the accumulated being-Diardookin because of their unique ‘grammatical rule’? DS - I was applying their unique grammatical rule to the song and equating their accumulated being-Diardookin with it. KMO, what I said about nonsense and boredom being sung at the end of the line maybe might be so, not. All of their accumulated ‘getting the cart before the horse experience’ may have come from their everyday conversations.
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Thanks ? Yeah that's roughly how I remember a few months ago when I read it and translated it online.it seems like there was a deeper layer because of its wording. I would have to review some to jog my memory about it. I should have gave context. It was a riddle about the Germans in times gone by in Beelzebub's Tales To His Grandson. https://gurdjieff.org.gr/ae/chapters/en50/chapter36.htm
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? What about this? Blodsinn, Blodsinn, Du mein Vergnugen, Stumpfsinn, Stumpfsinn, Du meine Lust.
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I just hadn't thought to do a search for Arnold on YouTube in quite a while. I found a talk of His I've never heard. It just about has to be good.
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@now is forever Thank you. I Love this guy. He's the primary Author of Chance and Choice. http://www.chanceandchoice.com/
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Is Arnold speaking in German?
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4-7-2019 61 Inner Truth Line 3 9 Taming Power of the Small The changing line councils not to look for absolute truth outside, apart from Inner truth. Inner truth is connected to feelings which tell what is harmonious and what is discordant.
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Zigzag Idiot replied to Jkris's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I like this one best on the list. Agree! My two cents: 1- Put attention on physical sensation in the feet with intention of escaping narrative consciousness in head brain to embodiment of whole body awareness grounded in the belly or heart. 2- Role play being extremely stupid or of being a ghost. -
Thanks for sharing the Yin Yoga video. I tried a couple of the poses yesterday. I feel a slow pull toward making this a practice.
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@Wisebaxter You're observations about the obsession with trying to be funny all of the time caused me to pause and reflect on my interactions with others. Actually you helped me to see a bit of my shadow in which I dissociate through some form of humor. We all dissociate with everything that can be used for dissociating from reality. After I had made those connections, I wondered if your bringing it up was your form of skillful means in getting me to see where I take a good thing - lightheartedness- and through my overcompensating personality of the type 6 (fear), go subtly into egoic imbalance. Spontaeous humor and lightheartedness are true assets that can be expressed from essence. We can see others egoic blind spots to an extent but there also exists the essential expressions and Virtues which are counterpart in a sense to false personality traits or passions. Qualities of the Pearl beyond Price some would say. Being in communication with others about work ideas just paid off for me some in uncovering a small bit of shadow. My skillful means hits a sour note at times and I'm trying to work on it where it will manifest more naturally. More accurately feeling where others are at. If this was your skillful means and way of showing me something about my blind spot or rather getting me to see it. Great job and thanks! If not, Thanks GOD! So, I'm still kind of being a Joker but it's ok because there's no identification to it,,,,,
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4-6-2019 23 Splitting Apart Line 6 2 Nature Not related specifically to my reading but related to what is conveyed in The Oracle Of The Cosmic Way overall, listening to music that contain no lyrics is much healthier than music with lyrics. Thought is very powerful but the spoken word is even more powerful and can manifest spells which create a fate for oneself and others. I would like to expand on this when time allows. This idea of mine about music is really more of an assumption,,,,, for now.
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Creating moon in oneself The phrase and concept of creating moon in oneself is in large part about inhabiting the belly center in a big way. By grounding into the belly center, the capacity for being impartial gains an upper hand over nearly everything. It means having all my attention gathered and being in a collected state of consciousness. It's the capacity for disidentifying from anything that is distracting my attention whether positive or negative. Early in life, due to insecurity, I lost my most of my inner sovereignty and became glued to the outer world as a people pleaser. Re-establishing in contrast to establishing a deeper connection to the belly center feels right because of a sense of Self Remembering that comes into awareness. Like self observation, it is something that becomes more accessible the more I consciously work at it. There is an element of having to start fresh everyday. Most often in the mornings I'm too much in my head until I get more awake from the nights sleep and become balanced in awareness which means the capacity for dividing my attention and having a groundedness through sensation and body awareness. I have a tendency to become spread thin due to developing interests in a multitude of different things. As this happens there's a tendency for all my attention to become dispersed. Over the years when viewed in hindsight, I've observed how it was during times of having all my attention dispersed that I would become overwhelmed by life. So creating moon in oneself is an extremely practical thing to do. Creating moon in myself is about going deeper into my interiority which is higher in terms of Consciousness contrasted to the outer surface parts of myself that is reactive and hooked to the outer world. It gives a feeling of being more of a completed and multifaceted holon. God/Cosmos is Holon. I too am a holon.
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It makes sense to me. The body is not real eternally. It's just a tool needed for an Earth experience. My paraphrasing could be altering your meaning though. I'm that way with words. I've caught myself doing that a lot. Using a word repeatedly in expressing an idea,,,, Maybe I'll just laugh instead of being overly self conscious next time I catch myself doing that.
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4-5-2019 34 Using Power Lines 5 and 6 1 The Cosmic Consciousness The changing lines of 34 indicate some identifications I'm in the midst of this morning. Out the door for a while,,,,