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Zigzag Idiot replied to EvilAngel's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
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Thanks, I'll check it out. Martin Butler repeats what he describes as a kind of horrible quote- -- "Those who matter, don't complain. Those who complain, don't matter. To me this says, feel everything, but don't become a Lunar-tic.
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5-6-2019 27 Nourishing. Lines 2, 3, and 4 14. Possession in Great Measure My I pad became sick and disconnected for a couple days coinciding with the site having troubles. I've got a lot of catch up reading to do. Pressed on time this morning. Pondering my changing lines connected with Nourishing,,,,,
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Immaterial Quintessence sounds like Essence with with its different qualities. What Almaas refers to as essential aspects Absorption of all Essential Aspects into the Personal Essence However, the pearl beyond price feels personal without being the personality. It has the capacity to make a personal contact with another human being and still be free, totally unconditioned, free from the past and its influences. It is the most personally intimate aspect of oneself. Everyone recognizes what it is when he first sees it. Sometimes even the vaguest perception of it brings out the exclamation “but this feels like me, intimately me.” And yet it is not selfish like the personality. The personality is based on deficiency, and this is the source of its selfishness. But the pearl is based on true value and true fullness. In fact, it is itself fullness. All of essential development is ultimately the development of the pearl. All of the essential aspects are for the pearl, for the life, use, enjoyment, and fulfillment of the pearl. That is why in the stories it is represented as a princess of unsurpassable beauty. The joy of the essence is its joy. The love is its love. The pleasure of the essence is for it, the majesty of the essence is its grandeur, the beauty of the essence is it, itself. The whole quest—its meaning, purpose, and completion—can be understood as the realization of the pearl beyond price. Many stories have been written about it. Essence with the Elixir of Enlightenment, pg. 162 So the capacity to be without this ego sense of self eliminates selectivity in one’s personal experience of essential qualities, opening the consciousness to an unlimited range of qualities. The absence of inner selectivity due to cessation of the feeling of self, coupled with the openness to expansion due to disidentincation from ego inadequacy, allows a new possibility of realization. It makes it possible to complete the process of personalization of Essence, which is the absorption of all essential aspects into the Personal Essence, or the synthesis of all aspects into a personal presence. The essential aspects now constitute the very substance of the Personal Essence. One not only feels one is a full personal presence, but that this very same presence includes the presence of Love, Joy, Strength, Compassion, Merging, Peace, Intelligence, Will, Consciousness, etc. Aspects are simultaneously personalized, with their capacities and functions integrated. This is a condition of completeness, of an amazing degree of integration. One is full and firm, strong and soft, sweet and warm, and so on. One is a complete person. This does not mean that one’s personal presence from now on is always this complete state. It indicates that one is able to be present in this expanded state of Being. The Personal Essence is an organic and fluid presence; there is no rigidity in it at all. All its states, through the whole process of its realization and development, are available to it now, manifesting according to the situation. Practically, this realization allows the capacity to be personal in any of the essential aspects, or any combination of them, depending on the demands of the situation. The complete state of the Personal Essence brings a perception of one’s presence as preciousness, beauty and regality. It is no wonder that the Personal Essence is called in some stories, the Princess Precious Pearl. Pearl Beyond Price, pg. 391
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Bumper sticker in the 1990's was right on --- Shit happens One hurdle at this point in my experience is not becoming identified and falling back into sleep.
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I forgot to record yesterday's reading 5-3-2019 59 Dissolution/Disolving. Lines 5 and 6 7 The Army 5-4-2019 32. Duration Lines 2,3,5 and 6 12. Being Halted Lots of material in the changing lines in this reading. Cautions about a number of things including --- being overwhelmed by wallowing in doubt faith based on hope self blame by going along with the parallel world of the collective ego restlessness and acting impulsive
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@jbram2002 I started the Teal Swan video and,,,, yeah, me too! So I'm watching it now.
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? Short Answer -- To develop the capacity for "objectless awareness." Use of a sacred word with the Centering Prayer technique,,,, every thought gets let go of,,, practicing kenosis,,,, Long answer -- Brilliant explainer Cynthia Bourgeault giving a talk at a SAND conference. She's a long time student of the Gurdjieff Work, has a Phd, and is one of the first women ordained as an Episcopal Priest. So in a way I see her as a current day Alan Watts. 26 minutes
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My twice a day meditation is Centering Prayer. It helps me touch base with being an empty vessel and inner quiet. Sensing practice- Intermittently sensing the feet dusting the day helps reinforce this by staying grounded in the body. Mindfulness practice of collecting scattered attention is another one which I describe as cleaning and sealing the atmosphere of my luminous egg. The visualization helps in this. Helps with Impartiality and not getting distracted or reactive. Taken all together allows for insight to arrive when it's needed but I don't allow it during Centering Prayer. For me In Centering Prayer, even if a vision of Jesus appeared holding a out a golden key,,,, it would be, not now man, wait till I'm done.
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I'm integrating my Colonel Kurtz with my Mr. Rogers.
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@tsuki fascinating,,,very rich,,, I need to sit with it Wanted to bring it all forward. AOD Alphabet of Desire is a new one to me
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@tsuki fascinating,,,very rich,,, I need to sit with it
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I watched this video from the second link you shared. Good stuff and so true. It's really interesting how many forms of this exist among different spiritual traditions or approaches. It's a very important message and to me the actual process and reality of it is always more difficult than the description but I think with each new way of expressing how to sit with, open up and allowing, can initiate healing the shadow and possibly adds to opening up this morphogenetic field around the process. I may be stretching it to say there is a morphogenetic field around the process,,, but maybe not,,, it's movement towards the light anyhow. I almost immediately recognized a parallel with Almaas' Theory of holes in the Diamond Approach and the process of sitting with deficient emptiness in order to process and allow an essential state or quality to emerge. It can often be a very uncomfortable process but very much worth the effort.
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Yes, it has begun speak to me some,,,? I may may be mixing two different phenomena with The Akashic Records and Gurdjieff's Korkaptilnian thought tapes. Years ago I read a good deal of what Edgar Cayce had to say about the Akashic Records. I've forgotten nearly everything.
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I'm pasting Gurdjieff's version down below if you want to compare for any similarities. They are direct quotes from Beelzebub's Tales To His Grandson. As a side note: In the Tales the Earth is described as a Being with its own Astral body. This is more exactly where the Korkaptilnian thought tapes Akashic Records are, in the Kesdjan (Astral) body of the Earth. “A Teleoghinoora is a materialized idea or thought which after its arising exists almost eternally in the atmosphere of that planet on which it arises. 23.293 “Teleoghinooras can be formed from such a quality of being-contemplation as only those three-brained beings have and can actualize, who have coated their higher being bodies in their presences and who have brought the perfecting of the Reason of their higher being part up to the degree of the sacred ‘Martfotai.’ “And the sequential series of being-ideas, materialized in this way, concerning any given event, are called ‘Korkaptilnian thought tapes.’ 23.293 “It seems that the said Korkaptilnian thought tapes concerning the history of the arising of the learned society Akhaldan were, as I found out much later, deliberately fixed by a certain ‘Eternal Individual,’ Asoochilon, now a saint, who became coated in the common presence of a three-brained being named Tetetos who arose on your planet on the continent of Atlantis and who had existed there four centuries before the second great ‘Transapalnianperturbation.’ 23.293-4 “These Korkaptilnian thought tapes are never destroyed as long as the given planet exists, which is in what is called the ‘tempo of movement of the prime arising’; and they are subject to none of those transformations from any cosmic causes whatsoever to which all other cosmic substances and cosmic crystallizations are periodically subject. “And however long a time may have already passed, every three-brained being in whose presence there has been acquired the ability to enter into the being-state called ‘Soorptakalknian contemplation’ can perceive and cognize the texts of these Korkaptilnian thought tapes. From https://gurdjieff.org.gr/ae/terms/en50/0392.htm
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@now is forever More pondering. I'll probably get it in a few hours. Actually , thought I almost had it. Then it slipped away.
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@flowboy Impartial or unbiased self observation without self criticism is a huge win. Even with a small bit of self criticism,,,still a win! Maybe you'll get an unexpected surprise and feel your own nothingness from the hot cooking. It seems weird writing those words. Regardless, you are still observing.??
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@now is forever Gonna have to ponder that one. I have a lot of Solar essence in me which has a close correlation to dumb blondes.
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I will express my truth and if it is of no use to you, by all means, please disregard it. I am not the body. Nor am I the thoughts and feelings which comprise the personality/ego. I am the silent witness who has no opinions. Quote from Maurice Nicoll - THE FEELING OF NOTHINGNESS “When the Work says that a man must come to realize his own nothingness before he can be re-born, it does not mean that he must humble himself and so on, but that he must by long self-observation actually begin to realize that he is nothing and that there is no such person as himself. The object of this is to get into a position, psycho- logically speaking, between the opposites...Why is it so important to get somewhere into the centre of the pendulum and not swing to and fro? Because here, between the opposites, lie all the possibilities of growth. Here influences from higher levels can reach us. Here, in this place where one can feel one’s own nothingness (and where one is therefore free from contradictions), influences and meanings coming from higher centres, which have no contradictions, can be felt. Not regarding yourself as good or bad, not priding yourself on being just or otherwise, not thinking you are well-treated or badly-treated, not being caught by either movement through identifying, you come into this mid-position. This is not easy! With personality active, it is impossible.
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It can sit in the Goldielocks zone for a Cosmic biological painfactory. ?
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I said it was a work in progress,,, ? I go along with the idea that Alchemy is an Allegory for Individuation and Psychological integration. Maybe you're not so convinced of that?
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Don't be Identified - Be Identified - Don't be Identified Theres a contradiction that's rarely pointed out about embodiment. To be embodied is to be identified with whatever it is so thourghly that we can become an expression of it. Yet it is also the process and act of being identified that forms the whole basis of spiritual sleep. Like being identified with our persona or accumulated knowledge, lifestyle, personal history, Culture, Worldview, politics, etc.,. This learning has been a part of my actualization over the last couple of years. Getting lost in adolescence and adulthood by way of fear, contraction and the hyper-neurotic condition which is the norm in modernity separated me from being at home in myself. I had an experience of my belly center ( 3 lower chakras ) but not the full experience of being grounded there. It wasn't until after I had taken up a regular meditation practice and just as important, sensing practices that this long ago abandoned part of myself started to get rediscovered after abandonment around puberty. Whats fascinating also is that the Instinctive/moving or belly center is my actual center of gravity. Volition is the obvious key between being lost in identification and the act of embodiment. Thinking and feeling alone or together can't do it. It takes our 'sitting bull' Self grounded heavily in the body to be able to turn it on or turn it off. My realization is that it takes the complete participation of the belly center to be or not to be.
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5-2-2019 25 Innocence Not Expecting/Not Projecting Line 5 21. Biting Through
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If one's false personalities are a multiplicity as Charles Tart says and one's true nature is myriad minded as Jean Houston suggests then coming from a sole place of authenticity may be more complex than it sounds. Indeed it would need to be a soul place,,,, I'm watching you trying to make the decision,,,, and see some of what you are saying. Whatever you decide will be a good decision because youve demonstrated well that know how to think for yourself. I enjoy your energy. ?