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In parables, water is often a symbol for Truth. In Alchemy, water represents feeling. ( There are differing interpretations about this one in Alchemy)

What is this other than ridicule and pettiness on your part. There is no place for this here. SQAAD is sincere. kag101, you are not.

@DrewNows There's an allegory in Shamanism about an entity referred to by different names - the indescribable force, the Eagle or the big bird in the sky which feeds on our awareness/consciousness. In the allegory it is said that when we begin to split our attention and observe ourselves (Witness consciousness) , that this makes our awareness unpalatable to the Eagle and afterward being left alone by this great force our awareness then begins to accumulate which has the effect of producing realizations never before experienced. This is what I relate Martin Butlers reference to someone else eating our egg. The egg is one's shadow ( personality/life experience) which when digested by ourselves causes one's frame of reference to grow in scope. Regarding how Leo and Gurdjieff resonate with me personally-- The things I began listing about the Work translated and given through Gurdjieff are ideas which through personal verification has become very meaningful ideas to me. Leo refers to Ouspensky more than Gurdjieff but it's all pretty much the same Teaching. I haven't read a lot of Ralston and others but I see Leo taking bits here and there from different people/traditions which fit together which also gives it the taste of Ken Wilber's integral approach. I'm probably still short changing you on how I resonate personally with each. Maybe later I'll be able to better elaborate.

It's been rich for me. The ideas of being asleep through identification ,, individuals and the culture multiplicity of personality -- "man is Legion" from the scriptures Were two natured beings -- Essence which is real and personality which is false Theres a lot more. I could go on. It s stressed in the Teaching that if we can't verify things for ourselves,, it is of no use. The following is a favorite of mine in how it talks about a major theme.

@DrewNows Cool. Glad to hear. I've really enjoyed the short ones Masters of Wisdom has put out lately. A lot of this stuff meshes easily with what Leo teaches. Im looking to resolve a possible disparity between Leo's Teaching and Gurdjieff about having a soul and eternal life. Gurdjieff says we're born with half Souls and if we don't develop/finish ,, we loose our chance. Actually 7 reincarnations I think it is. A lot of the seeming disparity may just be semetics.

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LOGION 42 - Come into being as you pass away LOGION 70

Developing Will To work on ones own capacity to do something just for the hell of it. To not need a reason and logic or emotion for initiating an act. This has been a practice of mine in the past coming from neoshamanic approach. They're called "not doing" exercises. In addition to helping develop Will, most of these practices also attack self importance. Each time you arrive home walk around the house three times before you enter. Spend a lot of time creating a piece of art. Destroy it as soon as it's finished. Load all your dishes, plates, bowls, glasses into the car and take them for a Sunday drive. Maybe even deliver a historical narrative concerning local landmarks as you drive past. It's no small feat to get everyone situated to where there are no rattles and everyone is secure. Intentionally say something stupid and shallow in a group of people. Role play an ignorant fool,,, Spend the first half of the day agreeing with everyone and the second half the day disagreeing with everyone.

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@oMarcos Ran across the following quote just now and recalled this last post of yours I read last night. Making these connections helps me to learn, remember, integrate,,, When Peace is Absolute Because there is Absolutely Nothing there to Disturb It When the body is relaxed and balanced and has no tension, there are no boundaries. Boundaries are tensions in the body. The experience of boundaries goes along with tensions in the body. The body armor is the boundary. When the body is balanced, relaxed, there is no need for boundaries. So you could say that some self-realization can be done physically. In the end, self-realization is the completely relaxed body, nothing else. When the body is completely relaxed, it is a window to the universe. That window allows the possibility of perception, awareness and experience. When the body goes, the window is gone, which is a further development, a greater opening. It does not mean that the window is closed; it means that the whole universe becomes the window. Then there is nothing to see. And each transition brings a deeper peace. Each time there is a loss of self or self-identity there is a deeper peace. Peace and stillness. Until you get to the complete absence; then peace is absolute because there is absolutely nothing to disturb it. Absolutely nothing, not even the knowing that there is peace. The moment that you know there is peace, there is a little disturbance someplace because there is self-reflection. But absolute peace means that there is absolute peace without the awareness that there is peace. Complete unification, no reflection. And when the peace is absolute, the clarity is absolute. When there is absence, there is absolute clarity. Clarity is everywhere and everything. Diamond Heart Book Four, pg. 132

I'm not disagreeing. Actually I think you are saying the same thing Castaneda is in the following quote. Yes, no, maybe? For a sorcerer, reality, or the world we all know, is only a description that has been pounded into you from the moment you were born. The reality of our day-to-day life, then, consists of an endless flow of perceptual interpretations which we have learned to make in common. I am teaching you how to see as opposed to merely looking, and stopping the world is the first step to seeing. The sorcerer's description of the world is perceivable. But our insistence on holding on to our standard version of reality renders us almost deaf and blind to it. When you begin this teaching, there is another reality, that is to say, there is a sorcery description of the world, which you do not know. As a sorcerer and a teacher, I am teaching you that description. What I am doing with you consists, therefore, in setting up that unknown reality by unfolding its description, adding increasingly more complex parts as you go along. In order to arrive at seeing one first has to stop the world. Stopping the world is indeed an appropriate rendition of certain states of awareness in which the reality of everyday life is altered because the flow of interpretation, which ordinarily runs uninterruptedly, has been stopped by a set of circumstances alien to that flow. In this case the set of circumstances alien to our normal flow of interpretations is the sorcery description of the world. The precondition for stopping the world is that one has to be convinced; in other words, one has to learn the new description in a total sense, for the purpose of pitting it against the old one, and in that way break the dogmatic certainty, which we all share, that the validity of our perceptions, or our reality of the world, is not to be questioned. After stopping the world the next step is seeing. By that I mean what could be categorized as responding to the perceptual solicitations of a world outside the description we have learned to call reality.

@DrewNows The quote and perspective I pasted came to mind after watching @tsuki's last video. I found the similarities to be an affirmation of this truth. A while back I had considered a homemade practice I called 'sweeping the stage of the mind' and so this post allowed for an expression of that idea. On another note: My skillful means in communicating with others still sucks at times. I think it's safe to say that all of us are misunderstood quite often, though. In Emeralds last video she speaks about holding space for other people. The idea speaks toward having good will towards others and acting on it, especially after accessing a little more continuity of consciousness in oneself (Self Remembering). This seems to me an attribute/capability which becomes more consistent as we taste 2nd tier more.

Metaphor for a healthy mind - A clean empty stage Almaas: “For the process of understanding to happen, three elements need to be there at the same time. The element of disidentification is one of them, involvement is another. The third element is the quality of allowing. These elements can be there when there is harmony among the three centers—the belly center, the chest center, and the head center. When there is this harmony, it is possible to experience fully, to allow, and to disidentify. Now, what do I mean by these three elements? Each center contributes to the process of understanding. If the head center is functioning correctly, it means that space or emptiness is allowed. What is the significance of space and emptiness? Space and emptiness make possible the quality of allowing. When there is space in the mind, there is no self-image. You’re not trying to stick to something in particular. You’re not trying to go somewhere. The mind is allowing whatever is there to be there. So the head center’s participation or contribution is space, which is an allowing, a welcoming in a sense—space for things to happen without rejection, without trying to hold on. You become complete allowing. The heart center’s contribution has to do with its central quality, which is the personal essence. The contribution of the personal essence is the diving movement, the actual living of the experience. You not only allow it, you’re in the midst of it, you’re one with it. You’re really it, you let it happen, you feel it fully, you sense it fully, you experience it fully, right? That’s the contribution of the heart center. The belly center has its contribution, which is represented by the self, the essential self. The contribution of the essential self is the disidentification, the turning away. When you are truly functioning in the belly, you are completely present, and being completely present, you are being yourself. So you are not identified with the usual activity of trying to get somewhere else.”

" As soon as the mind’s word mechanism is destroyed, love, the natural condition of the mind, appears". - Oscar Ichazo

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Self Remembering Self Remembering is a term used in the Fourth Way. It's not ever really defined in a concise way because of its all encompassing aspects when used in relation to Inquiry. Author and Fourth Way student Nicholas Tereschenko has produced a definition/pointer that's pretty good though. "Self Remembering is the expansion of the field of consciousness, so that both the outside and inside worlds are perceived together in the unity of experience." I think another way into the experience of Self Remembering is to just walk into an oncology wing or burn unit in a children's hospital.

In addition to Lines and stages ,,, our most immediate and ever fluctuating states of consciousness

That sounds similar in nature to Carnal body in which we can develop an Astral body which makes contact within to the Subte body and Causal body

I like the intent of your method but it's using a mental process to stop a mechanical mental process that's had years of carving out a groove. That's a tough one. I use a form of what you mention that in the Work that is referred to as an alarm clock. it's taught that we have to make up new ones from time to time because they become less effective over time. For steady practice towards continuity of consciousness, I haven't found anything as effective as observing sensation in the body, particularly the feet, especially in highly active intense situations. The hara as well. Using awareness of physical sensation in the body to get or stay grounded is what is taught in most of the different Gurdjieff groups as well as those influenced more by Ouspensky lineage of students.. It's so easy to sense ones feet because there are so many nerve endings. To me it seems like it actually cultivates the split attention necessary for steady Witness Consciousness. It's also encouraged to distinguish feeling from sensing. Feeling becomes clairvoyance eventually. I'm enjoying your talks,,,,

@now is forever @jbram2002 There is also the idea that the act of Judas' betraying Christ was a spur of the moment sacrifice he made to buy a little time so that this Ritual could be carried out. That's why Gurdjieff said that sometimes when he got drunk, he would pray to Judas instead of that little skinny Jew and he also didn't want to bother God especially when he was drunk.

Thanks for clarifying and pointing to Leo's true vs false skepticism video as the source. I think Ive watched it but like all of them I usually benefit by rewatching them.

If the Gospel of Thomas counts,,,

I like the way @Shiva framed it the other day as poetry. Poetry as a metaphor for holding it lightly in the sense of trying it on,,, to see if it's true in ones own experience.

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