Zigzag Idiot

Gurdjieff wrote in ALL And EVERYTHING that true awareness required participation from all three centers. Whether mechanical "autopilot" behavior, emotional behavior or dry Intellectual dominance, these are forms of Itoklanoz awareness (Two centered awareness or the egoic operating system as C. Bourgeault puts it.) Three centered awareness or the state of Self Remembering he referred to as Fulasnitamnian awareness. in Itoklanoz awareness one radiates from head centered awareness. In Fulasnitamnian awareness one emanates from the heart. Its much more pleasant to emanate than it is to radiate. An ego radiates. Being emanates.

I've had some luck in dealing with sugar cravings by nibbling on dark chocolate.

Thinking back Spock didn't experience emotions. Or didn't appear to. In that respect his behavior was close to that of someone who has purified thier emotional center of expressing negative expressions. I'm a Virgo. In being an off and on student of Astrology, I was aware of the planet Vulcan often assigned as the ruling planet for the sign of Virgo which currently is associated with Mercury for the time being. Just googled it. Hope this is not TMI. VIRGO: RULED BY MERCURY OR VULCAN? ANSWER FOR ‘HEARTLESSQUEENCITY’ Ok, so i really am so sorry it has taken me a while on this answer! Like i said, i’ve never heard of this concept- but it was really interesting reading up on it! I don’t want to bore everyone with details on the debate, just give some background The first thing i discovered is that Vulcan is actually the predicted planet to rule Virgo- instead of Mercury- but hasn’t yet been discovered! It is said to be situated between Mercury and the Sun. “It has been said in old astrology books that there is another planet in our solar system called Vulcan that will be recognized as Virgo’s rightful ruler when it is discovered. Vulcan was the royal son of Hera and Zeus. Zeus threw him out of heaven because of his lameness. Vulcanalia, the chief festival of the lame god, was held in Rome on August 23, at the time the Sun moves into Virgo. The god Vulcan was a blacksmith and the patron of all artisans. Virgo is the ruler of all workers. As new planets in other solar systems are being discovered today, perhaps there is a little planet in our solar system beyond Mercury and hidden in the brightness of the Sun. Until Vulcan is discovered, Virgo must share the planet Mercury’s rulership with Gemini, which seems to work well enough for both.” -Dian Eidenbaum, Souls Signs, Fireside, 1998 Linda Goodman explains how previously other signs had different ruling planets before their true planets were discovered: “Vulcan is the true ruler of Virgo, and is “the lame goddess of thunder,” since Vulcan is definitely a female planet. Let me explain what I mean by “the true ruler.” An example: At one time, both Pisces and Sagittarius were ruled by Jupiter – until Neptune was discovered as the original and therefore natural (or true) ruler of Pisces. At one time, both Aquarius and Capricorn were ruled by Saturn – until Uranus was discovered as the original and therefore natural ruler of Aquarius. (Abraham Lincoln was a Saturn-ruled Aquariun, Franklin Roosevelt a Uranus-ruled Aquarian). Uranus was rediscovered by a farm boy named Herschel, and was called by his name at first. But metaphysicians knew that the planet’s true name was Uranus. To continue, Aries and Scorpio were both ruled by Mars and Scorpio, until Scorpio’s true and natual ruler, Pluto, was discovered. And so on. Each time this repeated circle of discovery occurs, it manifests in the same pattern - or order of discovery - and the last two original planetary rulers to be re-discovered are always (in each cycle) Vulcan, the true ruler of Virgo – then Horus (Pan-Horus), the true ruler of Taurus. Virgo presently shares with Gemini the rulership of Mercury, although Mercury is the true ruler of Gemini, and is only “on loan”, so to speak, to Virgo. Just as Taurus presently shares with Libra the rulership of Venus, although Venus is the true ruler of Libra, and is only “on loan”, so to speak, to Taurus.” As for my personal thoughts… whew! i really don’t know how much i believe in the mythology aspects. Learning new things will always be fun, but some of the stuff is still way too out there for me.. My main feeling is still that astrology should be seen as a guide through life. I believe the signs we are born under give us insight into, but don’t rule, our lives. Astrology doesn’t take away all responsibility to think for ourselves- a trap too many fall into when reading daily horoscopes. It also shouldn’t take away from the joy of discovery in life, in delving into our characters, into what drives us, and how we want to give of ourselves to the world. (All of these are the main reasons i love it.) Astrology is just one facet through which to view life. I love our sign, i just leave all the crazy esoteric, in-the-clouds thinking up to the professionals peace and light, ~C (Source: LOVESTARZ.COM)

@phoenix666 As a kid I was really identified with the character Mr. Spock in the original Star Trek. But I guess he may be considered a Vulcan Being instead of Human Being...? ? Your vision and description is great and stands well on its own. Really appreciated it as I read it. Your question reminds me of a quote from the book - Higher Being Bodies. "If you could float above the earth and become aware of all the negativity that is going on, you would never laugh again. The world is ruled by negative emotions." Page 115 http://www.higherbeingbodies.com/

This reminded me of something Maurice Nicoll wrote. THE FEELING OF NOTHINGNESS “When the Work says that a man must come to realize his own nothingness before he can be re-born, it does not mean that he must humble himself and so on, but that he must by long self-observation actually begin to realize that he is nothing and that there is no such person as himself. The object of this is to get into a position, psycho- logically speaking, between the opposites...Why is it so important to get somewhere into the centre of the pendulum and not swing to and fro? Because here, between the opposites, lie all the possibilities of growth. Here influences from higher levels can reach us. Here, in this place where one can feel one’s own nothingness (and where one is therefore free from contradictions), influences and meanings com- ing from higher centres, which have no contradictions, can be felt. Not regarding yourself as good or bad, not priding yourself on being just or otherwise, not thinking you are well-treated or badly-treated, not being caught by either movement through identifying, you come into this mid-position. This is not easy! With personality active, it is impossible.” V. 1, p. 329

@phoenix666 This is genius. As chief old Lodge skins said, "It makes my heart soar like a hawk"

I remember what a Zen devil pain in the ass I was to my first Fourth Way Teacher Dwight. God bless you Dwight, wherever you are.

@Wisebaxter You're absolutely right about the phenomena. I abandoned forgiveness for a while. Thank you, friend. Im fine now. I'm definitely going to stay out of the forum while I'm tripping from now on. Things can get too complicated in a hurry. Forward we go,,,,,

I had a beneficial backflash this morning. Years ago I had a 24 minute VHS tape of Terrence McKenna that I watched obsessively. Over the years I forgot about it. Even when I got back into listening to Terrence on you tube about 10 years ago. I did a search and found the old lecture that I had back then but now the meaning is so much richer. It's actually two different talks put together. A small gap in the video which is poor quality but his message comes through loud and clear. There are some inexactitudes but overall I think many of you will enjoy this when you have time. So this is what I'm currently rewatching,,,,

The face cards represent the three centers. Hara - Jacks Emotional - queens Intellectual - Kings King of hearts = Intellectual part of the emotional center = Conscious Love and patience Queen of hearts = Emotional part of the emotional center = Archetypal drama queen?? Queen of diamonds = emotional love of truth Jack of diamonds = mechanical part of the Intellectual Center or shallow thinking Someone with a center of gravity in the Queen of spades will love movement/dance. If you suggest the idea of chastity to someone who has a center of gravity in the Queen of clubs, they might laugh in your face. ?

@DrewNows I agree. Just watched it for a second time. "At the core, we lie to ourselves because we don't have enough psychological strength to admit the truth and deal with the consequences that will follow." "Understanding our self deception is the most effective way to live a fulfilling life"

Me too. @Serotoninluv like your additions also. Reminded me of the phrase self similarity over scales. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-similarity Or the Sun is like the nucleus of an atom,,,,?

Hot and miserable day outside. I created a nonlinear booklist to share. ?

As I watched the part you mentioned, a post of Marc's came to mind. "Sometimes there's life within life that shows you life"

@ValiantSalvatore I agree. @Arthur yes! Thank you!

One reason I feel Emerald could be a help to me is because she is a presence here in the forum. She sees what's going on among folks here. She's seems sincere, steady and not reactive. Sometimes I become too self absorbed. It's like there is a split between my inner and outer worlds on those self absorbed neurotic kind of days. All in all my understanding and stability are miles ahead from where I've been in the past. Some of the time I'm a complete walking and talking contradiction. There seems to be two sides to this coin as well. Depending on the moment and circumstance utilizing one side verses the other fits the reality of the moment but then life is a continual change. Ive been alcohol free since 2005. I chained smoked Camel light cigarettes from my teens in the 1980's until around 2000 when I finally managed to quit. During that time I got on Paxil but the finally managed to quit using it about 10 years ago. My diet still sucks but one thing I've become better at is eating less. I no longer drink soda pops. Mostly water. This is currently the staple of my diet. Lately its all the pecking from the argumentative little Zen Devils that has gotten under my skin the most. Ocke de Boer says that sometimes Conscious man needs to develop the wisdom for when it's time to go run and hide. So he doesn't get pecked to death. I'm amazed at what Leo is able to put up with at times and still keep churning out good stuff. I really enjoy reading and conversing with most everyone here minus the Zen Devils. We can all learn a lot from each as we try out Leo's ideas and suggestions.

I'm probably going to contact @Emerald before too long and get her council regarding a couple of different tangles. I trust her advice and her take on different things.

Someone else, not me made these two remarks above. I reported it earlier,,,,

I'm just fine. Thank you.

@tsuki I think you're the only one who has a copy of The Oracle of the Cosmic Way. If you happen to have any leisure time for pondering, the following might give you a chuckle. Yesterday my I CHING reading was 47 Line 4 giving a second hexagram of 29. Youre probably too busy for all that and that's cool also. Those readings can be right ON sometimes,,,,, ?

@zeroISinfinity ? No problem Sorry you got mixed in with all the confusion,,,,

A green bush might get scorched but it doesn't burn.