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That was said that Formless can't know yourself, so it creared the world of duality. But why we assume so? Imagine an ant trying to understand the life of human. Maybe, it's just not possible? I mean, of course the smartest ants (say with name Leo) and many others may argue about it. Tell that it is so. Formless can't know yourself. We are all One. Look how many scriptures written about it. But isn't life paradoxical and if many people tell similar thing this is probably a bad sign and it's not true? Smartest ants may tell take a honeydew and check with your direct experience, rational mind can't grasp it. And so I did few times. But honeydew is only half of the story. Another half of the story is theoretical foundation from the smartest ants which forced me to rationalise the Experience in very specific way. What if everyone is deluded? What if Formless can know yourself via yourself and Reality works in completely different way, not like in ants' scriptures? I don't know.

@Nahm ? eventually everything will collapse.

@Nahm hard to find ?. But what I meant is I have an idea (which I think I heard from the different sources) that Formless can't know itself, so it creared Form, world of duality, to know itself through itself.

@tsuki well said. I think it clarifies something to my rational mind, thanks. But anyway, I want to be extra skeptical to any spiritual stuff since I feel you may get in trap very quickly. I want to go in my spiritual journey from the position "I don't know" until I verify through direct experience rather then believing what scriptures tell. As for now, having just a few full trips, I can't be 100% sure that Formless should become a Form in order to know itself via Form. I need more direct experience I guess

@Inliytened1 thanks for your reply That's exactly what I am talking about. We assume using our rational minds that it should "unknow" itself but what if this is just a wrong assumption of our limited mind. What if there is other way to know itself without unknowing and all this spiritual mumbo-jumbo is just as delusional as materialistic worldview. And yes, you can be It, then you "know" . But again, mind rationalize the Experience afterwards based on theoretical knowledge prior to the Experience.

The main guys for me, why I am reading this forum are @Leo Gura, @Serotoninluv and @Nahm, but they are pretty active, so I don't miss them. Lol

@ivankiss

@Alex bliss I had a similar question a while back. Maybe, you may find the answers to be interesting: I feel questions related to dream vs real are common on this forum.

Sometimes I read people trip reports here and there, so I want to know the difference. Once, while vaporizing 5meo, I had a feeling of Infinite Love. I consider it to be a breakthrough. Another time, on lsd, I had a feeling that we are all One, that my friend, my mother and everyone is me. That was quite scary and I felt like I am crazy. I consider it to be an ego death. Do my descriptions sound legit? Another question. To have a breakthrough, should someone to have ego death first or not? Are these terms connected at all? I don't remember ego-death-lsd-feeling on 5meo. Maybe, because it was so dumb fast. Or maybe these 2 terms are the same? Lol

> There is a difference and there is no difference Damn it! Again duality. Thanks for advertising psychodelics. I know they are the real thing.

@Inliytened1 thanks. To add to my descriptions in question: On ego death you can consciously move the body, on breakthrough you can't. Is this still legit?

@Serotoninluv nicely said. > What you aren't seeing is that Heads and Tails are both the same coin. No need to be afraid of dream vs real duality since it's one, reality is both real and dream, there is no difference? That what you wanted to say? Trying to understand your statement...

Nice.

It's interesting how Leo started conversation in this thread to intentionally turn down WinterKnight. He saw that he gains more and more authority in this forum which seemed to be 'dangerous' (or maybe just 'annoying') for Leo. Ego is super twisted. Survival game in action. Anyway, what happened is good for the system as a whole. Including this comment.

@Shqipe

Found the video for my lunch, so why not to share.

Thanks for sharing. I guess, I stick to lsd and mushrooms for the next few years then. No need to rush with 5-meo-dmt or dpt. And get well man.

Haha. @Jjunior130 pluto, is it you?

Thanks for your honesty.

Cool. You also may check psychodelics if it resonates with you. It's better tool than any Leo's video or any book, the most personal teacher.

Thanks for sharing. I watched the video. English is not my native language, so I have a question. Should it be completely new thought every time or I just peek the highest thought which I can think of in that moment, so it may be very similar thought all the time?

I am God (or Leo, or whatever)

Vipassana was great for me. I think if you can do 1 hour "do nothing" without moving you are ready to go there, so a retreat is going to be beneficial. You also need to like challenges and living in a commune to enjoy it.

Thanks for sharing the insight.