allislove

Congrats bro!

@Flim Imagine that the thoughts are not personal, even though if it seems like that. So, the thoughts (or more precisely 'thinking') is like the sounds of the car or the falling rain drops. You are the source of thinking (the car that generates sounds or the cloud that produces drops). You are everything & everyone (you, me, family, friends, dog, tree, the rock, etc).

@Someone here Jim Newman is great, but I do not recommend Jim Newman in your case bro, just my 2 cents. And yes, if it feels like taking the well-deserved break from spirituality do that.

@Someone here I can point you where the "I"-thinking started to play its thing in the message but I won't do it - you created a lot of questions on the forum & enough pointers were provided. Do the work bro ✊ Are you listening to Rupert Spira on a regular basis? Just listen to Rupert without trying to understand the message. Maybe, it may help too, maybe not.

It seems like there are a lot of concepts about spirituality, so if you can just slow-down a little bit, and contemplate via direct experience the nature of "I" that claims to get the glimpse/to be stuck in a horror loop/etc that would be helpful. If I were in your shoes I'd stop reading the non-dual books, doing all the spiritual practices, except maybe the breath-focus mediation for half an year, and see if it helps.

Imagine that you are sitting in the cinema called "You". Now turn the head and see around... that's the movie. Enlightenment is the recognition that you are the whole cinema (the screen, movie, person watching the movie). Even if you recognize that you are watching the movie there can be sadness, happiness and all the goodies movie provides. It's noticed that the feelings come and go as everything else - as thinking, as sound of the train, as any object. The suffering is dropped since it's recognized that the movie can't really touch you. You are "something" that never comes & goes, ever present awareness. There is only one movie called "Love", so nothing to do, but to enjoy it.

@Someone here judgments, blame, fear.... that's all due to identification yourself with 'I'-thinking. That's fine to suffer, but do you really want to suffer? You may watch @Nahm's video and DO what he points to: No need for mental gymnastic, up to you though. Peace bro. ??

That's funny title... imagine, putting the finger into the nose and saying I have troubles accessing my nose :))) It's not about what you do, it's about what you think you are. You are not just a human being, just get used it, peel the onion layer by layer, by not identifying yourself with "I"-thinking.

Enlightened people are not enlightened. States of consciousness are stateless. That's the best explanation :)) Imagine, you are the ocean. Ocean forgets yourself and identify yourself with a fish inside yourself. Fish can experience different states of ocean: very disturbing ocean, calm ocean, dangerous ocean, romantic ocean, etc. To describe the ocean there should be a fish, otherwise ocean is just an ocean. There is a special bay inside of the ocean called "psilocybin" bay. So, fish goes there and from the perspective of the fish this is a very different kind of ocean. But for the ocean, it's always just an ocean. The easiest way for the ocean to recognize itself is to give up searching for it. But if it feels like to go to "psilocybin" bay - feel free. This is your place, enjoy!

That's a very good insight. When the "I"-thinking appears just notice that you are not it, but rather it's inside you. You are the foundation in which the "I"-thinking appears. "I"-thinking appears in the same "time" as sound of the bird in the forest for example. You are the boss of "I"-thinking, not vise versa. So, just give more attention to the foundation of yours, not to the details inside you.

Any tool is just a tool. If you rely solely on psychedelics you are pretty much doomed. Doomed because at some point you have to recognize that the tool is inside you and you are the tool itself. Solely with psychedelics it's way harder to notice, so continue meditating. But psychedelics is a very good tool in tandem with meditation as you said. Psychedelics help to recognize other beliefs about yourself more quickly than a meditation practice alone. This is just one perspective, doesn't apply to everyone, listen to your gut feeling. And welcome to the forum!

Inside you, not inside a body. Plainly annoying or unpleasant is labeling due to identification with a commentator. The commentator is 'I'-thinking identification. It resides somewhere between 'body' and 'consciousness'. Find out in the direct experience that you are not the commentator. The commentator is inside you, you are consciousness, there is only you. There is no problem with a commentator then, it's just your hand. Everything that appears is love. I like mountain biking, yes, just a story. There is only the story. If there is only the story, everything that appears is love and there is only you, what it may even mean?!? Whatever ?

?????? And yet, there is only true self ?

<terrible>, <fully aware> or <alone> are descriptions that exist together with "I"-thinking identification. "I" + <description> Find the source of "I"-thinking, is it really you or it's just inside you like a bird's song? Imagine, you are the sky and there are different types of clouds that form letters like "t e r r i b l e" or "a l o n e". If you identify yourself with these clouds it may seem very terrifying, but there is another choice... to see that you are the sky. Be like a sky, my friend ??

@Someone here You're onto something here bro ? Let's inquiry a little bit deeper Who is that "me" that realizes there is only me? Is this "me" really exist or it's just bunch of thoughts? Does "I"-thought arise before the bird's sound or they arise simultaneously inside you? If they are simultaneous who are you in this picture? What if the focus is switched from "I"-think-ing to actual you-ing? To answer the questions, be with all of your attention where your body is.

The pointer "God is love" refers to unconditional love. To provide an analogy... imagine you are the Earth atmosphere... the only thing you can do is to observe. So, whatever happens inside atmosphere (inside you) is fine with you, since it's you. You are happy that something happens at all. You love everything of you and there is only you. Do the spiritual practices to lessen the "I"-thought identification, so unconditional love may be noticed directly.

Unstoppable ??? What a great write up!

@roopepa any time my friend. The path may seem hard, but once the identification with "I"-thought lessens it's easier and easier... keep going

roopepa's body is in a world, not you, you are the whole world (including the body). Come back to noticing yourself again and again, and again until it clicks or not. Whatever comes & goes is not it, you are permanent, that spawns all the impermanence. Surely, @Nahm is a living example. But then there is no play and one... just lila. Just wonder who is that "I" that is afraid, there is no fear without this mysterious "I", find the source of "I"-thought. ?

Once the last layer of onion is peeled, it's nothing. :))

Sounds good to me. My pleasure. Other & your mind is a thought by itself. The trick is to investigate the nature of thinking ("I"-thought specifically). Once it's investigated the experience of thinking has no difference with sound of birds. There is no separate content, the Source is one. Another way to approach it is to look how you feel in every moment. The feelings is a guidance system. These few amazing videos by Leo may be helpful

Hi, Lilia. Sure. You wrote that you are prone to generalization, understanding the Spiral Dynamics model may help to see wider. At the end any model is just a model. To understand "other" minds firstly you have to understand yours. I'd direct the inquiry "internally" and wonder "who am I?", "how do I feel?" as often as possible.

@Adrian325

Have you looked into Spiral Dynamics model?

It's like the whole universe whispers about it but we won't listen. You can find the pointers in any book if the eyes wide-open. Investigate the nature of "I"-thought, investigate who really wrote any book.