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Thought is a perception. Of course, now it all makes sense ☺️

What about Wim Hof breathing? I am considering it as a light version of shamanic breathing. If done consistently, may bring a lot of positive results

@gswva seems like you've got it placebo = Leo = you To prove anything you always have to assume something for the truth without proving Proving is useful when you want to prove if you have N apples and you eat one apple you have N-1 apples, but not for metaphysical stuff. A proof is the second order, being is the first order. In simple words, you have a sand and a castle from the sand. You can build a castle from the sand, but can you build the sand from the castle keeping the castle structure? Doesn't make sense, right? The spiritual journey is about letting go of the desire to prove anything. It's about focusing on the investigation of direct experience, just by being, meditation ?

"Stop trying to become God, you are already God and God is becoming you" God is not becoming something. God appears as something. Everything is God. This quote is similar but reflects the truth more precisely: "You are already that which you seek." – Ramana Maharshi Personally, this is a nice pointer, but for newbies, it won't be useful.

@Leilani ?

@gswva yes, everything is consciousness :))) You can become conscious that everything is a placebo. That any tool you have used in your spiritual path was just a play for you, there is no difference between the strongest psychedelic and chocolate. That's not to say that psychedelics are not useful, the best tool for spiritual growth IMHO.

Everything is a placebo, everything is you ?

And no matter where I go And no matter what I do There ain’t nothin like coming home to you

In the morning I felt a strong pain. I was thinking 'this is it', no way out from this pain. Then, I urgently made an appointment with the doctor and the doctor said nothing to worry about, I just need to wait a few days. Why I am sharing it? Because, now when I know this is not a big deal, I don't feel the pain that much. I stopped pushing it out that much. So, the difference between psychological and physical suffering is a lie. There is no difference. No identification - everything is one - no suffering - only love ?

@Nahm LOL ?

@Nahm don't forget about ??

Lol. "It's not fingers, it's pure magic. Formless appears as form, Love.", that would be a good description for some kind of movies, you know ?

@zeroISinfinity ?

@zeroISinfinity so what I am saying, there is no body, you can't disidentify with it, since there is none. It's only thought: "Here is my body". The only thing you can do is let go of this belief that the body exists, to see the magic.

No doubts they are actual (amazing video BTW you shared the other day , thanks ). But they are not what you think. It's not fingers, it's pure magic. Formless appears as form, Love.

Just to critique my own comment lol. A human body is a thought. You can't disidentify with what is actually doesn't exist in other words.

The funny thing is when there is no experience of pain you think it's so easy to let it go but when there is – it's a completely different story

@zeroISinfinity nice ?

physical pain is Love, as everything else, c'mon. The only question I have is to what degree you can disidentify with a human body in a sober state :))

I would say don't give your authority to anyone. You are here alone or put it in other words you are everything. I mentioned that this is not a valid example for me, perhaps, since we don't know what he felt while burning :)) Ramana Maharshi would be a better example in this regard. But I want to have an example from current generation, just for inspiration.

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@zeroISinfinity sure, there is no difference, but there is appearance now and it's possible to have no appearance. Something is nothing and nothing is something. I am just saying when you are identified with a human body it may be not possible to merge with a strong feeling of pain.

@Someone here that's a good point to make a distinction between "mental" suffering (e.g. I suffer because I don't have a relationship I want) and "physical" suffering (e.g. I suffer due to stomach ache). All "mental" suffering completely can be thrown out of the window. It's harder to do with "physical" suffering. I can see how on the peak of 5-MeO non-experience everything dissolves, so you won't care about any physical pain on the peak, since there is no you and no pain. But when there is something, some appearance, it may be super hard to not push away the pain. Pain itself is just a strong feeling (energy), the problem arises when there is the illusory distance between the feeling and you. What I can say it's definitely possible substantially to lessen suffering from the pain with spiritual work since you can accept it more and not push away. There were examples on the internet when monk burns himself alive. I am not sure this is a valid example for me. Since there is an appearance, it may be the case that it's not possible to merge with the strong feeling of pain to make the illusory distance between you and pain to be zero, or in other words to accept it fully. I don't know.

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Pretty much what @Nahm said: "That’s 100% belief, 0% direct experience.".