Ayla

I actually don't think enlightenment is felt differently but because it is the only thing that cannot be expressed in human terms (it being all BUT that) - each "master" is expressing it through his/her own lens in order to manage to convey to others the actual feeling of it. Another facet of it that I felt deeply the last few months, is that there's quite the marketing campaign surrounding last century's "masters". So might just be that a single truth...but one that needs to sell...must be expressed differently. Otherwise we'd have the same book published by 100 different authors

I was going to start a post like this but then I realized I don't really have a favorite one, plus that even if I did, the next week it will change. I'll still share with you that the Enlightenment part 2 (about min 39) made me laugh like CRAZY when Leo impersonated The Voice :)))))))))))))))))))))))

All of it is consciousness. No exceptions. It is the personality's push or pull of it that makes things "good" or "bad"

Just put a huge disclaimer : "DO NOT FORWARD TO YOUR MOTHER" lolololooolllllllllllll

While I completely see the validity of your sharing Leo, my new point of view in life is a bit different. I have practically lived in a Psy Hospital (Godmother was a Psychiatrist and took me with her all the time). I have seen people with depression all my life, starting with my ex husband who committed suicide, and with me actually ending up with a deeply traumatic depression that put me in (sometimes under) my bed for 8 moths... What scared the S*@T out of me is that I saw, both in my own practice and in my godmothers - people coming to us for years and years and years... I did not want to live my life like that! I think that at any level one is, if they had someone helping them to interrogate. to probe, to inquire, to really dig deep into 1. who is this "I" having the depression (is meant to alleviate the pressure of this happening to ME me me me me me.. who is this me? ) 2. what it actually feels like in their body as opposed to what they are thinking... (get the person in touch with their own trauma stored in their physical body and help them live it with no judgement ( words, labels, concepts, etc) Anyway... this is how I got myself out of it

I totally agree with you. But as long as this (type of) women do not look further than: He cheated => He's out They'll perpetuate it forever. Same for men...whatever Anyway, the request was only for you to try and unhinge the stuckness of a one-sided view, not about a particular case. If not, Sexting would be another good subject too LOL

How To Deal With Cheating sounds fine the reason I see for this video is for people to at least Question this pattern of he/she cheated so he/she is out.. and instead sit down and see how the relationship got there... what/if they can change things.. I'll give you an example of a friend: she's been married 4 times - every single time, husband cheated on her ..... every single time, she left. All good, right? I've been able to understand some of her troubles which I will try to illustrate in a lady-like manner lol - she would never do THAT during sex - she doesn't like it when he does THIS to her during sex - That disgusts her... - she cannot talk to him about THIS ... And on and on it goes .... so no wonder poor guy goes away after a while, right??? Cannot do it/cannot talk about it/being trapped Another situation: married at 28, he stops touching her almost immediately after marriage. they spend 10 years having sex max twice per year so in the end, she finds someone else and cheats on him... There are so many facets of this .... so easy to just dump everyone and everything... especially your own responsibility on the situation.. I figured it could be a good topic to cut through the "solidness"

My approach to Depression, after having it for 5 years (to a point where I could not leave my room for 8 moths), and after dealing with it professionally as a psychologist , has changed a lot in the last year, after experiencing emptiness / no self. I can only relate to my own current opinion. We are where we are in our journey, each of us. My words do not imply any thing at all. I just say it like I see it. I am not implying that we do it to ourselves at all, but that the conditioning is part of human evolution at this stage and that once we see above it, many things will drop - yes, even cancer (see Anita Moorjani's story on youtube) . This is a huge problem I've seen in the last few moths: people are not present enough to go through the information with an open mind and heart. So the only thing left, is this polarity of you are wrong and I am right. Which is fine by me because I do not pretend to be right. I just gave you my own current view on how I perceive things So for those of you who didn't find relief with years and years of therapy and pills, give this a try too. It's free! Continue to take your medicine and look into natural supplementation (5HTP), laughter yoga, etc..

@pgchollet@msn.com Thank you for your assessment. I do maintain mine. I do have a masters degree in psychology and a lot of spiritual experience to back up my affirmations. I do respect your opinion and encourage you to go along with whatever you feel fits your current understanding of life and things. There's just no other way for us to go forward, but to walk the path we are on, from where we currently are.

I have had 3 awakening experiences that I am able now to maintain as a way of life... Ego and old programming still throw punches at me, still trying to convince me there's more to clear.. Ego adores work. It adores creating and solving problems. It adores PAST and FUTURE... it adores knowing, factual information that it can debate, it is thirsty for drama and "logic"... But when the Knowing of Nothingness is there, it has less and less power to trip us into the story. Once we see through it, Ego becomes a channel, a sort of tube through which Grace flows. The most unfortunate thing is that fake spiritual movements, capitalized on the terms that enlightened people have used in trying to describe how it is like - so now, even if we hear them, they are devoid of meaning and substance. They became just another story.. another doing..

There are literally thousands of spiritual techniques, rules, myths, dogma, rituals, etc. Many people take what is convenient for them and use the catch phrases that sound very good to their ego, but most of them end up just inflating that ego to humongous proportions, but never become a true spiritual being. Classic example is that of yoga teachers that have been "accredited" after 60 days course - no understanding and no model of behavior provided there... I have "friends" that have been on a "spiritual path" for decades, still, their life is still full of drama, judging, hatred and upheaval. Another facet of this, would be the polarity between "positive focus" (LOA, affirmations, visualizations) and shadow work (forever dwelling in different forms of "clearing" the subconscious) Thanks

For the moment, we are getting acquainted with numerous guidelines and was just looking into this one from where i quote: " This sub-forum is ONLY for posting suggestion for Leo. This is not a place to discuss these topics in-depth. Only enough discussion should happen here to communicate your topic idea clearly. " You could create a thread into a main forum topic instead of continuing on this one.

This is not about trying, but about bringing in the light of consciousness - which is ultimately who we are - and inquire into what we are actually experiencing. When we consciously lose the labels we've put on certain physical manifestations, and we sit with named sensations without judgement, the realization comes that they are just ways for us to run away from a sensation in the body (that we previously experienced as trauma and never dealt with properly - aka living it fully in the moment).

That something in the background, THAT ONE needs to be identified. Unfortunately, IT cannot be studied, described, quantified through "human" logic, words, images. That is one of the traps of New-Age movement. Pushing / pulling at a truth that does not abide by human rules. I only identify with practical things for the moment so that I can properly function on earth. (cutting bread, typing on keyboard...). I don't have any more "existential" questions lately, because anything that one thinks can be reversed by another, thus, cannot be real. I just simply AM

The confusion comes from your attempt to cut the knife with the same knife Your "heart" (the enlightenment) will clearly let you see and understand that "Ego" is an illusion. This is exactly what Leo tries to explain in his enlightenment videos and is clearly stating that this is something that needs to be personally experienced. Now illusions do appear and disappear (as does human body and mind) but what is real and true does not. If you are asking why we appear within this particular form, why does consciousness do this? The best way I can describe it from my own enlightenment experience, is that IT needs mirrors to see aspects and facets of itself. If you think of consciousness as being a pair of eyes, it chooses to sprout different kinds of mirrors as to know, understand, play, experiment.. That is only my own mirror

Define Ego ?

@Meriem Thank you for your question. First, know that you cannot do a single thing for "another" person. This is a personal journey here on Earth. Each of us have to take responsibility for our own experience. This has been conveyed in different forms by different enlightened people from all times, but the main idea is: "start with yourself". Our own focus on the "bad" stuff is giving it its reality. Mass media capitalizes a lot on this, thus perpetuating the problem. Only beings that feel separated from others can hurt other beings. Once you experience Oneness, there's no way of ever hurting another being - human or not. That is the only way you can help. Realizing they are not their current circumstances may help people who are experiencing what we commonly call depression.

What works for me quite well, is Mooji's pointing: find out who is the one who's seeing ( suffering ). What I have found, is that deep inside, there is this type of let's call it deep benevolent all encompassing stillness that is not perturbed by anything at all. As you dig deeper and stay present with that, you can feel it's flavor of love....and you begin to trust it and to realize that anything happening to "you" is actually an illusion. Once you learn to trust this force within you, nothing can touch you as it used to. all becomes relative. The only "problem" is to switch your perspective, to un-learn your old way of thinking and to just TRUST and not engage with whatever comes towards you. This is done by the deep inner experience that shows you personally that you are all of it: the source, the happening, the experience and the result of that particular issue.