Ayla

@jip , CAN YOU? Enjoy every moment of your life? If it is so, by all means...you are right. Live like that. The only thing is that consciousness will call your chimphood back to reality over and over again - and the chimp will perceive that as suffering, as a strong pull. The more advanced your chimphood becomes, the tighter the pull will be with "time" and the worse the suffering. So all that Leo is saying is, begin as soon as you feel the pull, so it doesn't strike you right in the face...

Consciousness is embodying into person-hood for a little while. Human ADN and persons already present here as humans, give this new person "the rules" of the game: self image, societal rules, conduct rules, concepts, dogma, etc. Consciousness is mesmerized into believing it is a person. Here's your duality right there: consciousness and person-hood. Person is cut off from consciousness by the fragility of body and the dynamic of personal concepts, drama, etc. The tighter the pull of person-hood, the bigger the discomfort. Let's take me as a guinea pig My parents met and fell in love; The moment they got married, a very vague idea of me has begun to flourish in the form of them wanting A baby. So thoughts, combined with actions, feelings and norms, got "me" into existence. This can be resumed as: focus came into experience. Many variables were involved into all this process and other focuses "shaped" who I have become. The only way to disentangle yourself from all this paradigm, is to realize that the person is not you. In fact, my current view on this, is that the person that you might currently call "Ayla" has nothing to do with who I really am (and more to do with who you are). I wish I cold find a better way to put this into words..

Poly-amory is in essence as "controllable" as single amory If you think you can CHOSE to fall in love with one person, it might be that you can chose to fall in love with more than one. (?!) There is love, respect, care, attention, sharing, involvement, common interests, hobbies....etc. Sexuality can be a part of it..or not. This is not some kind of orgy, or sluttiness, or cheating. That would indeed be chimpish: lack of discernment, playing with people, lying, hiding etc. Polyamory is void of the attachment, the need to "own", to control, to exclusively possess another human being as being YOURS. LOL That sounds so funny to me...like little children with their plastic toys: MINE!! I do agree however that society is VERY far from this type of liberation at this point in time.

@ayokolomo Sorry

@Aldo Marchand this is a REAL trap!!! You assume there is a YOU living life. That is incorrect! You are NOT LIVING life!!!! You ARE LIFE being lived by a "concoction of elements" that your person-hood is imagining currently of being "you" That right there is the big issue.... There is [insert concept*] living you, breathing you, walking you, speaking you... that imagined you * concept has been named: God, emptiness, nothingness, Higher Self, etc

@DizIzMikey

@Emerald Wilkins good Now also try to also transcend the THOUGHT that you are a Person doing all that, including thinking. There is no person there, except one that you/has been imagined upon you. Seeing through the veils of thoughts is a great step. Seeing that there is no person there "doing" them...is going one step further. You're on the right track. Everything you THINK, is a more or less pleasant illusion. On the other side, there's the real deal. When you are there, your life will be taken care of, not because it hasn't been until now, but your thoughts were too loud for you to be able to listen to what I call "whisper of Grace". One more observation if I may: enligtenment does not "show up" as one of the ayahuasca experiences. It is not THAT at all. Those are, again, just experiences that come and go, as fantastic as they are. They just give you a bit of a glimpse of the "knowing". And do not worry, you will KNOW it when you'll find it....it cannot be "missed" because it is you

I think that every human being is born with this urge to go back to Self. It is very possible that the "starting point" is influenced by Karma and continues on the path within those rules. This is just a hypothesis (a limitation that is). This urge is manifested in our daily unconscious actions, through the frantic run after outer "pleasures". Many people start and stop there, preparing for the next womb to carry them further into their individual journey. For others, this urge is a conscious one, always in the back of their mind, forever KNOWING that they're something else, that they miss "home", that "their soul is older" than their physical age, and so they begin to actively search - again - externally, for answers. When the urge has gained a certain momentum and a "critical mass" has been attained, the urge becomes an urgency. Everything in such a human being begins to evolve around this search, and life becomes a bit unstable: old equilibrium is being shaken from the structure up. Old wounds reemerge in order to be healed. Fears and attachments are being amplified to that it can be seen through them. The Mind here is fully alert into tricking the person back into the darkness. Study of different teachings/schools/programs are flourishing here. Many people get so scared and so uncomfortable here, that they go right back to sleep, or remain forever entangled into the intellectual knowing and searching. For some others, the urgency becomes an emergency. All else has lost its value. Nothing is left standing. Self is becoming a magnet. A purifying fire that burns everything that you are not. This is the stage where suffering is SEEN and felt most acutely, but it has lost the grip it once had on the being. Lost the hopelessness and helplessness behind it. It is seen as that illusion that is and always was. This is when the person dissolves into being and is exclusively searching for itself, in itself. Where are YOU on this path?

OK, I've been reading about a lot of problems here, grievances, questions, why's, how's... so I thought I would start a topic about what is it you are grateful for in your life? What do you love about it? Bringing a bit of positive energy never killed anyone...

How can you know you need to go to the bathroom? Even in deep sleep (hopefully lol)... Well... I'd stick with it even more so lol.

Oh well....

Actually, my profile picture is quite accurate

Oh thank God! LOL Tears came (laughing ones) when I read your initial post LOL

It isn't quite like this, but the attempt is good. It does give a certain clarity to the thingie . What you perceive is also "part" of the void. So the subject, object and everything in-between IS the "void". Plus, those straight lines look like an army thing lol.. when in fact, all there is, is just a certain dynamic of accumulation of space that seem to Mr. Mind as "solid", "colorful", "true"...because it is all it (mind) has been fed. You somehow see yourself as on one side of the thing, seeing something on the other side. The fact is that there's NO side...and NO you for that matter. Brain needs those as tools in order for "you" not to bump into a wall or something, but unfortunately, it extrapolates it to be true for "outer" things too. That's why, for someone in my current state, "stuff" appears quite funny - different colors, 2D images instead of 3D.. walking a bit like on clouds sometimes.. brain is trying to fit into its new role. Oh well... (I'll wear a helmet lol). Not sure if this makes any sense at all, but...trust me, I'm doing my best to express what IS with concepts and words that have no more reality to them (for me) Next time I'll bring my crayons too hehe

@Psychonaut Now THAT's sound advice

Your mind's current job is to find (invent) problems, so that it can solve them. It will do that for your entire life (and many other lifetimes) if you let is loose! It will bend backwards to keep its job (and his 5* treatment you're giving it now)! Here: I leave you in the caring hands of my Father

What I would like, is for you to understand who is that "I" you're using so carefreely if I can put it like that. The problem is that you ALWAYS give them 5* treatment, and in this particular case, it doesn't seem to make you laugh at all.. Of course; try that one with a homeless person: give him/her 5* treatment for a week, then try to get him/her out

LOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLL Consciousness surely has some funny ways in which it expresses !!! I see exactly what you mean. Do you see what I MEAN? I mean that anything external that would come up, you'll be either wanting it or not wanting it. Right? We are trying to give you the solution, the key understanding that all these are just tricks of your mind! You have hired Mr. Mind as your CEO, when its only real purpose and capacity is that of a translator really. Of course you want your daughter to remain as your daughter (this form). What makes you think she will not? Concentrating on that THOUGHT (fear), will function like a laser beam and bring the fear into experience. So juuuuuuuuust drop it. Let go of it.

WHO is that I?????? You keep using it as a sword! Who told you that you will lose something? Anything! Isn't that a thought passing and you give it a 5 Stars treatment???????? You invite it in, feed it, giving it a good bath... how the hell do you want it to leave you? grrrr

@DizIzMikey ....whoa!!! Quite the handful here, isn't it? Who told you that thoughts are YOURS? Do you own a piece of paper telling you so? They are just thoughts. Happening. Not to YOU. The problem is that you depart with the left foot already: you are questioning everything but the "I" "my", "mine", which would be the right foot. So, OK thoughts come and thoughts go. We can speculate forever as to where from to where to LOL (loloololol) but the fact is that these thoughts are SEEN by something that is not coming and going. Think about this: If a child tells you there's a big monster in his room, you'll first think about the CHILD, not the monster. If a wise man comes and tells you the same thing, You'll most surely go into the monster business first.. So first, question the validity of that who is giving you the information that you receive. Drop everything else. Drop God, drop feelings, drop the feet and the monster.. What is there left ?

@DizIzMikey You are only going to lose that which you are NOT! You are not going from this (husband, father, grandson, etc) to "that"!!! You are ALREADY THAT !!!!!!! Sit with this fear. Let it have its ways with you. At the other end of it, you'll see that it's only an illusion your mind is creating to keep you stuck

Yes you ARE! You just don't realize that just yet

Does it feel like what is in front of you is somehow broken? Sit with these ideas for your own self. Think about how they might or might not be true. That is the key.

@falobma Whatever you might THINK about all this, the fact is that the results of how things are inside of you, are right in front of your eyes. When I say trauma, I do not refer to some horror movie, but some kind of influence (like knowing nothing about women) that has affected you in some way.

@falobma , usually this is a manifestation of a deeper inner trauma (childhood) that consciousness brings up for you to look at and heal. Look at low self esteem issues, victim/perpetrator issues, and also, look for the answer to WHY do you want a relationship? Good luck