Arhattobe

@Aakash np:) just one piece of advice. don’t let your awakening go to your head. If a huge insight hits you and you get all hyped up. know that it lacks nuance. Let it go.

Nirvikapla is normally a meditative samadhi. Sahaja samadhi is a stabalize state. A baseline state. I don’t know where you are getting the idea that nirvikalpi is a lesser sahaja. Your samadhi classification is new to me.

@Aakash happens by itself, but if you practice self deceit the process will not happen or unfold as it should.

@Aakash Because delusion doesn’t end at non duality. Your subconscious issues make you deluded. Even if you see beyond the character as you put it. You might just then say well I am not delusional. Delusion just arises. Yes, but it would be better if it didn’t. You might at this point say the self has no preferences. In a simplistic way you’ll be right. If you don’t allow room for nuances. Gray areas, and split things into black and white, but in reality that’s not true. Do you think your favourite teachers would prefer torture over cake? No. Why? They don’t identify anymore, because simplistic non dual thinking is just that. Simplistic. Immature. Lacking.

@Aakash I explained it. Your conscious understanding needs to sink into the subconscious and a ton of stuff remains there. Hence why Alan Watts can be an alcoholic, maharaj an angry smoker and so on.

@Aakash You’ll find out lol

Self realisation happens at a conscious level when one awakens in a stable fashion. The subconscious has deep rooted issues and a ton of karma remains. Lifetimes according to some modern teacher and older traditions like Theravada Buddhism. In short a cognitive dissonance arises. Denied by non dual teachers, and often addressed but for true growth. The subconscious needs to be purified. You are awakening for example it seems but no amount of seeing the self will rid you of your shortcomings, cravings in an of itself.

They will happen and stop happening with or without your spiritual ego. Understanding can’t fully be felt to the depths of someone. You know it’s spiritual ego. Understand that. Don’t fully see it and feel it. That’s good though, that can serve as opening, and allow the understanding to sink into you more and more. If your genuine and don’t bs yourself. In short. Be self aware, genuine and patient.

Our blockages and walls exist to protect us. They are functional. Not random. Our inabaility to see out blind spots is due to that reason. Withiut willing to be vulnerable. When life shows you your wrong. That you have issues. Not what you though. Growth can’t be accomplished. Without growth. One can not be truly authentic.

Reading can be immensely beneficial. Your blind spots can really mess you up. Depends on what you read, and your maturity.

@Dodo They aren’t bsing you. Just saying that everything arises within one canvas so to speak, that there is a purpose and intelligence behind life and in it. Thats made weird though because people are emotional creatures and tend to jump the gun when they are excited. When they have an insight.

Why you tell yourself your god, what highs it gives you, the redemption factor, the blindsighthedness it gives you, the subtle subconsious arrogance it gives birth to all make the statement “you are god” become a very counterproductive one. Such a statement, idea and belief are extremely contracted. Hijacked and perverted by your issues, cravings and fears. There is a purpose behind all things though, and an intelligence not only behind but in it as well.

There are probably uncountable meditative samadhi states. A very number of awakened states (stable samadhi states) as well. With varying depths and flavors. Neither stable sober samadhis, nor meditative samadhis are liberation. The meditative ones are temporary & 99 percent of the stable ones are still defiled, distorted and limited due to subconsious defilements. Full enlightenment only comes with the total eradication of the subconsious walls, limitations, defilements, and deep karmic impressions that go way deeper than you would think.

It shall pass. You are in a process of awakening. I had extreme apathy, and pointlessness feels upon awakening myself. Trust life. Let it teach you. Be patient. Things are not pointless.

What do you do off the path when you experience boredom? Live life, how you see fit. Deal With life, experience it, grow from it. Thats the case as awareness, as an individual, as whatever or whoever you take yourself to be. Or not be.

@Tony 845 Craig’s awesome. Made me cry, and not bs myself as much:)

@legendary The Buddha identified 112 types of citta. Citta is translated to thoughts but it isn’t really. It is the process that internal dialogue is an outcome of. The brains processing apparatus you could say: He then categorised these different types of citta. 1-4 for example iirc are portions even in fully enlightened Arhats. These are the citta that allow for you to understand you are alive, to be able to distinguish between a toilet and a sink. These citta the nano second they start becoming operational they are perverted and distorted by the subconsious. The higher levels of citta. Feelings, cravings, fears, all subconsious. Not talking about any consious conceptual processing or action then further pervert one’s vision and seeing. There is also little you can do about the process, you only operate on a consious level. Since losing my ability to have an internal dialogue or to visualise, and based on my prior experience. The detail here is amazing, He further maps, and talks about the 5 hindrances, 10 defilements, and how an arhat not only consiousnly is not longer capable of them, but subconsciously the capacity no longer exists. This emphasis and understanding between consious craving and subconsious craving, it’s importance. Is something that no modern teacher who are all awake at an only consious level understands. There is more but I would need to do a lot more explanation for the other signs to make sense. @tecladocasio No.

@thesmileyone That is quite natural. Normalcy is non existent, and we all live in extremely different worlds. If you step into spirituality, the differences magnify as well. Good that you do that smiley:)

Ralston has a decent amount of subconsious opus arrogance that shows on his face. He has a ways to go. In modernity. Ramana is rather advanced, Sheng Yen who is a Taiwanese monk is good, and there is a Sri Lankan monk that I believe is the most advanced person in recent history whose name is wanaraka thero. None of the people I mentioned I believe were fully enlightened, however, in fact I’m positive. The only person who showed signs of full enlightenment was the historical Buddha.

@Leo Gura That’s a very level headed response. Seems like you really have grown. Seeing the intelligence and purpose in things I believe has brightened your world, and will do the same for those listening to you. Your new genuineness and openness are also great developments In regards to the psychedelic path, although I see the issues it suffers from, and believe my vision and understanding is clear. It is true that I have failed to recognise where others are coming from previously in my life. What is good for the goose is not for the gandor so to speak. I have also consistently realised life is not as black and white and more nuanced that I believed before. There is purpose in all things, everyone learns the lessons they need to and are capable of learning, some humility may be in order on my part. Life knows what it’s doing. Having said that. I can elaborate on a path I recommend. That’s worked for me, and others I have worked with. It suffers from its own drawbacks but I believe it is a superior.

@Leo Gura The frontal lobe is tied into what’s traditionally called the second chakra. Which in Hinduism is called svadisthana. Svathistana means the seat of the soul, but in fact it is the seat of individuation. Consious and subconsious. Upon consious stable awakening. The consious part of the individuated self is set free from identification. The subconsious still clings. Instinctively, through instincts, memories, feeling and a subconsious world that goes way beyond surface level thought and understanding. Shinzen young who has awakened on a conscious level. Like most non dual teachers. Have their awakening hijacked by this hidden, subconsious devil as you would say. To fool them that they are at the end of the journey. Its comforting to think so. It’s easier to think so. Yet their behaviour betrays them. Defilements of the mind are still abundantly clear in such people if they are taken down their pedestals. Mere practice, without a proper map. Proper genuineness, and self awareness of how deep the path goes can allow for people to get stuck. Thats why they are stuck where they are. Now onto why your path, in my opinion suffers in ways you aren’t conscious of. In my opinion and based on my experience. When an insight is had. It is reductionist. I am not saying this in a regular non dual way. Not saying there is no truth. No purpose. In the way it is normally meant. Insights carry legitimate truths but they are stored in the frontal lobe, and merely by storing them due to their reductionist nature they distort and pervert. Are hijacked by the devil. Emotional highs, subconsious distortions are created without ones being the wiser. Look up the brahmanjala sutta. The Buddha talks about this at length in said sutta. What is my point. If your stable level of consciousness is at one point and you jump deep into the depth of reality. The insights you carry back will be heavily perverted. Far more than you know. They will carry the stench of the devil. The ten defilements, and although they will sound good and reflect an actual reality. They will be far, far in purity. To the actuality. Ones mind needs to be trained to ingest an insight without perversion. Insights with heavy perversion can even be counterproductive. Eg there is nothing to do types in advaita. In my opinion the psychedelic path suffers heavily from this fact. I have done 5 meo numerous times. Breakthrough doses. By far my most meaningful peaks, insights and changes have come when I have been sober. Absolutely no contest.

Facts and statistics are not things people like it seems. No one asides Martin has awakened. Stably and permanently via psychs, and he has massive issues. With all the psychedelics and insights people on this forum “integrate” you would think it would be littered with people at least awakened on some basic level. Stably and with a sober mind.

@thesmileyone The ego is not a singular thing. Your chakric system carries karmic impressions through out your nervous system and body. Mere mind body disidentification, knowing who you are, and non duality does not rid you of them. Nor should it be considered enlightenment. Yet it is. People greatly exaggerate what being in a permanent awakened state means, because of fantastical thinking, escapism and lack of genuine listening. Nearly all non dual teachers say they learned, the hard way, they still had a ton of growing to do post awakening, and still suffered. Examples include : adyashanti, Jeff foster, jan esmann, David spero, Maharishi mahesh yogi. Just to name a few. Selective hearing doesn’t allow people to look at things honestly though.

The findings were. .Hyperconnectivity through out the brain to an unusual extent. .Severe underactivity through out the brain. .Severe lack of activity and engagement along the sensory motor cortex and default mode network which she called the seat of the idea of self. I don’t know what else these two areas do. I don’t science well lol. .One type or a pattern of activity that is similar to some Sufi mystics and advanced meditators that don’t feel pain and stick needles and weird stuff in themselves without tripping. .Frontal lobe and areas related to memories were also unusual but I forget why. Basically my memory is horrible. As evident by me forgetting what she said about my memory lol. Experientially she says much of this matches my experience which I’ll briefly describe. Inability to form an inner dialogue or think. Been this way for 6 months. little excitation, cravings and levels of fluctuations. Non dual and stuff. She also said my values differ from the average person by three standard deviations. Which I’m told means only .3 percent of the population shows such levels of activity or something. Anywho, just felt like sharing. Cheers

@winterknight Triggered much. Mr.Noego? I’m stating my view. Your stating yours. Let’s move on.