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@outlandish Hindu based traditions : Too many too count. All over the place. No complete, consistent, coherent body of teaching or lineage. None have a full picture understanding. Most are one dimensional. Has been perverted over time. Abrahamic religions : limited by the god concept who is an external humanised authority figure, cultural nonesense, perversion over time. Sikh tradition : Limited by the god concept, and it’s view of god. That is closer to truth than all other god centered traditions. That leaves Jainism and Buddhism. Jainism is pretty good, pretty closish to theravada Buddhism but illogical at times and inferior to a degree than Buddhism. That leaves Buddhism: which was split up into Theravada and Mahayana Mahayana then gave birth to chan (zen) and Vajrayana (which gave birth to Tibetan Buddhism.) Vajrayana and the parts of mahayana it was birthed out of focus to much on mind phenomenon, Siddhis, heaven realms, devas and light bodies and due to that suffers from not being as direct. With most practitioners getting too caught up in phenomenon with they enter high levelled mystical states. Chan, and Zen Buddhism focus too much on awakening, and lack nuance. Theravada is the most consistent body of teaching, the oldest, least perverted and most nuanced:)

@aclokay UG shouldn’t be a role model. The man rejects his humanity as well and is very angry. A sad sight to look at.

@CreamCat No. If a child with cancer call you something you won’t be hurt because you see their hurt. They are acting out in pain. In the beginning you don’t feel that even if you know it intellectually, but then you feel and your intellect doesn’t play a role anymore. @WindInTheLeaf Karma is released gradually because lessons need to be learned, shift in to non dual states or higher states can be representative of milestones, and can lead to faster karmic burn rates but won’t rid you of all your karma. You can awaken, and then through wrong actions start gaining a ton of karma though. Not sure if I understood your question correctly though.

@Mu_ Yes. I can feel energies to a degree, based on that, and me comparing recorded vs live ones. That became rather clear to me:)

The intellect is not the problem. The problem is as the intellect attempts to understand it creates a lot of garbage “karma” as a byproduct. When the intellect is cleansed. It will remain functional without gunk.

Non live video recordings dramatically decrease the level of energetic transfer, and might even pollute them to a decent degree. The more you know. Lol.

Sounds dramatic. Your scenario, but things happen as they should. Will expand on that in a future thread maybe:)

@SageModeAustin I am so sorry to hear that Austin. If you ever want to talk. Let me know. It won’t help much, but I can listen if no one else does. I myself suffered from long stretches of depression and dark nights. Sorry it has to be this way. I am not sure about the affects of stimulants and how in need of them you might or might not be so I will try to stay away from that topic. I will, however, say that the lessons are learned and over when dharma says it over. Not when we have had enough. Have faith. Hang in there. Wish you the best. @outlandish 28, and I wouldn’t consider myself as either layperson or monk. Just a person committed to growing, seeing more clearly and understanding the dharma. In regards to my lifestyle. I am studying for my second masters degree and am currently in a relationship with a good woman who I dearly love and care for. @TheAvatarState Sorry but I’d rather not persue this line of thinking any further. Do not think it’s productive.

Accessing certain energies consciously or unconsciously, and vulnerabilities in one’s system can allow for such experiences. If they are spiritual, and not psychological. For someone in your positions. I’d advise against things that can make your system more vulnerable. Eg introduction extreme amounts of energy to your system via psychedelics. Stay away from occult practices, and esoteric “knowledge”, and try to heal your system via healthy eating and excercising. Gl

@Preetom I’ll try to answer all of your questions in one response. As I said due to the conflict created due to the intellects functional need to survive through knowledge vs the inherent limitations imposed upon it. Fear is created. In response to fear karmic conditionings are created. Most of these karmic patterns aim to battle the primal fear that rests in the deep reecesses of our subconscious by gaining control. Most of unnatural cravings are based in this battle for control. Control in this context can mean. Looking good in front of others, getting a good job, becoming enlightened, pretending to know stuff, because in one’s perception each one of those examples mitigate and control the number of fearful scenarios that can arise. Natural desires are desires that are not based in such karmic conditionings.

@TheAvatarState well, that’s is what I meant . But I’ll attempt to answer your question even though I don’t necessarily agree with a lot of your assumptions. I am not too familiar with the ox map, but I’ll try to make sense of it the best I can. Humor mostly targets negativity, and shows us the stupidity of negativity in a new way. A way that can make us laugh at ourselves, others, culture or world. When an Average person engages in humor. They automatically attack and disenfranchise some people. Groups that are the butt of the joke. Groups that are looked down upon. A fully enlightened being will do no such thing, however. He will target no one, and his smile will be pure genuinity. This will warm the hearts of those around him:) @tsuki 1- They become perceivable as your progress. As your awareness reaches deeper and deeper levels, and as more and more karma comes up to be processed. 2- In regards to the types, names and taxonomies of karma. They exist. The 7 chakras and other energy centres for example store different types of karma. I will make a thread on karma at a later point to explain the different types of karma and etc. If people are interested:) rather not get into now though. Lot needs to be explained. 3- Awakenings can help clear some karma. So does the path on average. The 8 fold path is a good systemic approach on how to burn karma instead of acruing it:)

@tsuki Np. 1- Awakening. Is becoming aware of the ground of existence. Becoming aware of the ground, however. Happens through a human system. Therefor this newfound “awareness” and its depth are limited to your systems level of gunk. Karma, and garbage. When awakening happens most folks on the surface level of their system. Conscious self referencing level realise the “truth” yet there are countless underlying, and subconscious layers of one’s system. That due to readings eg need to survive will not follow suit. Ones karmic life on a deeper level which is also “self referencing”, albeit it not on the gross thought level will continue. Most people at this stage deny the underlying layers. Denial of the uncomfortable truths of life and one’s karmic life become much easier once the surface level is freed up. 2- Everything in existence communicates something, a reality. From gross objects to more abstract realities like cultures and ideas. What they communicate can interact with your system and cause a specific type of karma, but they do not store karma like human systems. In short, in a way, yes, and in a way no. 3- Karma goes much deeper than what the term “ego” represents nowadays. That is why I make the distinction.

@Mu_ This is part of what I mean by nuance. Realising the self is one thing. The implications, and conclusions one comes to from that, and how that realisation is filtered, and perverted through the intellect and karmic body is another. The self strives for growth, if it isn’t doing so. It is in delusion, it is attempting to escape, going against its directive and/or dharma. Just as a serial killer has a lot of room for growth so does an awakened person, and if you think serial killers don’t have a lot of room for growth. As if them being the “self” negates the reality of their suffering and need to grow. Then we have a big issue on our hands .@TheAvatarState Odd question. Sorry, but I don’t see the relevance of the question on the path. Please ask a more relevant one. @tsuki Through the creation of the intellect or through consuming the fruits of the tree of knowledge. Man falls from heaven. Meaning through the creation of the intellect. Man becomes self aware, it tries to learn, to know, and to use its knowledge to survive. Yet man can not know enough, learn enough, and it’s survival is always being threatened. This conflict gives birth to the base of one’s karmic body. Fear. Upon that primal fear all other self defence mechanisms (pieces of karma) are built. In short. Karma = The byproduct of the intellect’s conflict with itself. @SageModeAustin A dark night of the soul happens because parts of ourselves, life or others that we looked away from. Need to come up to be seen. During a dark night we can no longer look away. Once we look directly into what needs to be seen, and learn all we need to learn from it. It passes. In case it is caused by a systemic issue, I recommend trying to eat healthy, excercising, and avoiding stimulants and psychedelics. Let life teach you for while. It will if you listen <3 Good luck

1- I don’t have a guide line per say, I’ll try to come up with one that captures everything I was want to communicate, but kind of tired now lol. 2- I do understand why you would be curious. Understand your perspective, but will choose not to engage this line of inquiry because like I said it will not be productive. I’m regards to your problems with your perfectionists problems. Sorry to hear that. That’s why nuance is important.

@Mafortu <3

@Mu_ Sorry, but can you reiterate what your question is in a more clear manner. Your questions aren’t connected and I’m not sure which one to respond to.

@Mu_ I hope you don’t mind but I’ll kind of skip your first two questions. Engaging them won’t be productive regardless of what my reply will be. In regards to your third question. I want people to understand that a lack of nuance, genuineness, self honesty and self awareness may lead to darker holes than some crawled out of. It can be very damaging. Pre and post awakening. Also sharing what I know and my perspective so people can have a nuanced and healthy perspective instead of a dogmatic, escapist one. @Hellspeed Sorry, but can you be more clear. If your asking me if I can’t heal any disease. The answer is no.

@Hellspeed ?

I do not have a website. If you want my opinion on something ask me, and I will answer.

@luckieluuke np @non_nothing Obsessing over identity or lack thereof is not helpful. Practice, Aim for growth, reflect on teachings and contemplate. Genuinely try to learn for the sake of growth instead of covering up your life issues via intellectual entertainment, satisfaction, and gratification. In regards to purpose. There is certainly a purpose to all of it. This can be seen as you gain depth as you get to higher and higher non dual states. I have nothing to say regarding purpose though. Asides from it exists. .@Mada_ Keep your spiritual life to yourself. Unless a close friend seems interested. Most people simply don’t care, and won’t care regardless of how you put it. Will make it easier for you and then if you just keep it to yourself and just have regular human interactions with them. In regards to traps. Learn from life. It will be your greatest teacher. If you let it. If you are genuine and self aware enough. You will see that every trigger, every self defence mechanism, and every reactionary part of you is based in deep issues that will only start to fade if you acknowledge them, look at them with honesty, and understand that you have a long, long way to go. Good luck:) @Nic What do you still have to learn? let’s imagine a woke video game character. This character has a number of stats. Depth of awakeness or clarity of seeing would be one stat. Seeing absolute truth does not mean you don’t absolutely pervert said experience because it is filtered through a very very messy system with a ton of gunk in it. Another stat would be Empathy level. Not just feeling love, but clearly witnessing and feeling the pain of people. Being able to see other people’s reality that vastly differs from your own. Not just intellectually but feel wise. Eg to feel why a serial killer is the way he is, to truly understand the diversity in life. Those are two examples, there are many more facets. All these stats are interconnected, and they all have can grow. Until you reach buddhahood. These are areas that’s I still grow within. In which areas of spirituality but also in life general do you still feel like there is work to do? My previous answer. Answered this. Do you still have epiphanies? Epiphanies are normally grand, and happen when there is a lot of turbulence, and a lack of clarity. They are also explosive and come out of left field. Things cant catch you by surprise at a certain point. Mostly at least. Nowadays new information coming in and and my clarity increasing feels quite normal and mundane. What are your plans for the next years? Nothing special. Job, girlfriend. The usual. How does being alive feels for you? Alright. Do you feel the need of living in a relationship? I am in one, not sure if I would if I wasn’t. Human contact is important and good though in general. What is sex like when you are enlightened? Not that good, I’m out of shape lol. How did your family members react to your enlightenment? Its been a while, they don’t really care lol. How much would you rate your level of unconditional love? Is it a constant? The experience of unconditional love and actually having it are very different. A lot of people that claim to experience unconditional love. Just experience a love high, and might act dikish because they do not see clearly. True depth, love with understanding and wisdom is true unconditional love. I do experience that most the time. I’d say. It might have become constant recently, now that I think about it. @CreamCat Not sure.

@luckieluuke Just trying to be more nuanced, because the lack of nuance in most teachings led me to fall into more traps than one would like. That’s all.

@non_nothing Individuality on a karmic level. Which ties your energy onto your physical body exists until all fetters are eradicated. So unless one is at the 10th ox in zen terminology. One is absolutely an individual. Regardless of what you experience or how you feel. Even if you feel non dual af lol. Therefor if you ask questions. You are asking questions to whoever answers. @luckieluuke The problem with simplifying it to awakening and embodying. Is that it implies one’s perspective or “truth” won’t evolve. Which it will. So, so much. A first grader will know “math”, and so will a professor. There is as much of a gap between those to in depth of knowing. As there is between someone in the 1st and 4th picture let’s say.

@Tetcher Instead of Talking about Sadhguru I’ll mention a few people above him. Which would obviously mean he is not at the end. Ramana Maharshi, Master Shen yeng, Suzuki.

Good perspective to have outlandish:) It’s Healthier to be committed to a lifestyle. A lifelong commmitment to growth/truth. As opposed to desperately seeking an escape that might not come anytime soon. Or worse develop a dogmatic belief system around “truth”, regurgitate the word of others , and hold on to your dogma with a religiousity that will actually hinder your growth.