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Hey Everyone, I'm an undergrad studying psychology. Despite disagreeing with a few philosophies I am taught, I love my degree. I have a strong pull to helping people and society through therapy, and to help fix some of the issues that I see in therapy. In my experience (in Australia), psychology and psychiatry are pretty hopeless. I've paid $250 to a psychiatrist for them to tell me to stay on antidepressants for the rest of my life - luckily I didn't listen and weaned off them, feeling better than ever. There's too much to go into here, but I'm very excited and passionate about this path for a number of reasons. I'm deciding whether to go on to be a clinical psychologist or complete a doctor of medicine and go on to become a psychiatrist. I love psychology, however I know psychiatrists are qualified to administer all types of therapy, and this flexibility of resources appeals to me a lot. I am also vaguely interested in the possibility of psychedelic therapy, however this is not an essential avenue for me to go down. I am worried though that psychiatrists end up solely focusing on prescribing medication, which is really not what I want to do. Are there any psychologists/psychiatrists or people with insight into this matter that could share their perspective? Thanks a lot

@Jacobsrw Thanks for your reply! Absolutely agree with all that you said. Psychotherapy is actually something I'm really interested in - partly the reason I am considering psychiatry (I've seen that you can study/administer psychotherapy in psychiatry, but not in psychology - this could be totally wrong, it's really just what the internet has told me). The issue with counselling for me is that it may be harder to really gain significant influence and resources to make change. I do know a counsellor/psychotherapist who also finds it difficult to get clients sometimes, as his work isn't subsidised by medicare. Anyway, lots to think about. Congrats on graduating, I'm sure you'll do awesome things

@Samuel Garcia Thanks so much, I really appreciate your reply. Great to know that other psychiatrists out there (or future ones) have similar aspirations to change things. I'll definitely try and have a chat to some professionals.

@tsuki Thanks for your insight. Seems like your wife has found someone that works really well with her. I definitely agree with your view on medication - it's like a bandaid and should be used to help heal a deeper would. Such a shame that some psychiatrists believe that medication is a lifelong regime and the only way to help people. I am leaning towards psychology now actually.

@Lyubov @neutralempty psychiatry is orange for sure - psychiatrists are medical doctors. It'd be tough to find someone with the work ethic and intelligence to become a qualified doctor in stage red or blue. The only stage blue I could see is maybe blindly following scientific principals. Still don't think that makes psychiatry a stage blue field. Some of the greatest books out there are written by psychiatrists. But unfortunately a lot seem to lazily prescribe medicine.

Yeah I've noticed that too. However psychiatrists are trained in psychology and psychotherapy too, they just often don't use it (where I'm from in Australia). I think there are limitations where they get paid more to prescribe medication than they do to administer talk therapy.

Watching stage purple video had me thinking about social and belonging needs. To me it always seems like something that you can never really have enough of - even though in my life I've got plenty of friends and family and all that. This could be a personal thing though, but was curious if anyone else felt a bit insatiable when it comes to feelings of belonging. In anyone else's experience, are strong social needs something you eventually get over/transcend, or can they actually just be fulfilled?

It's just a model. It doesn't actually 'exist'. Obviously Leo interpreted stage Turquoise differently to those who made the model (hence why they made him take the video down I think). I'm sure if someone has a specific sort of awakening it would enable them to connect the dots in a much more big-picture way. So it makes sense as to why people would correlate Turquoise with awakening. But yeah Leo has said as well that people in stage purple can have awakening experiences and that they aren't one in the same. But in a society of mostly stage orange, green and some yellow people, I'm sure an awakening experience would definitely lead to jumping up the spiral. Wouldn't you agree?

I feel as if trying to understand and diffuse the situation is a good way out. Just saying, ok I'm listening please tell me how you feel. As soon as someone is given the space to express their feelings without interruption, they'll become less upset almost immediately. Truly try to understand, and only when they have said it all, express your own perspective. This only applies if you want to resolve the issue though. Are you fighting for peace, or victory? (Hopefully peace).

I agree that women do not know how to pick up women, just like men cannot give women advice on getting men. But from my general experience (woman) it's just the confidence of an asshole, not the fact that he's an asshole. Most 'nice guys' are so insecure that they just suck up to women. But an insecure asshole is just as repellent, probably more. I've read pickup stuff though and I've thought hmm this would actually probably work haha... but only for hookups

Hi everyone, A couple of months ago I had a first glimpse into what awakening could be like (while I was meditating on LSD). Anyway, since then I've been able to meditate and contemplate for long periods of time, and actually it's kind of the only thing I want to do. The only problem is that I've started getting extremely tired all the time: I'll sleep in in the morning (used to wake up at 6), get extremely tired and also a bit depressed when going about my day, and also get really tired all of a sudden during contemplation and meditation. Part of me thinks it's my ego trying to get me to stop doing all of this? - Like trying to get me to just go sleep. Or maybe it's a result of some kind of depression, or just exhaustion from the intensity of the work. Has anyone else experienced this tiredness or depression? Any tips or experiences would be awesome

Hey everyone, Looking for help from people who have better general knowledge than me; any examples of women at stage yellow in spiral dynamics? Would be interested to see people's opinions and it isn't discussed in the stage yellow video