Azrael

From the 1960s onward all major national and super-national political decisions convergence into leftist ideals. That's a fact my friend.

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Maybe to give an example of what I mean. In this talk JP talks very ambitiously why he thinks that Post-Modernism is not the way to go. He is ranting a little bit as well, just like you @Leo Gura when you talk about your topics. He and you make a point. That's what needed in this world, so that we can the think clearly about both points to figure out where we are headed. If you don't like what he says, that's fine. There a lot of stuff that we don't like. But the discussion that he brings about is bitterly needed as our society goes left now for 50+ years and we are not aware of where we are headed. If that kind of rough talk is too much for anyone that wants to have a real discussion, then don't have the discussion but don't expect to be taken seriously. Real change and practical optimization of big interacting societal systems is not as easy as liking one philosophy over another. It combines being grateful for how far we have come so far and thinking clearly about where to head next. And this needs discussion from both sides. JP

An example of a political commentary of JP that is hateful against normal leftist people that don't share radical far-left ideologies. I really think you confuse him attacking normal people for ones that are actual radical and ideological.

Can you PM me an example? Because I'm not aware of even one instance in which he behaved how describe him. It really seems like we are talking about different persons for me tbh. He also says himself that he has not have had one instance in his live lectures where people went crazy..

If everything is pre-determined when was it determined, by whom and did he have free-will to do so?

That's true. As are far-left identity-politics people (not leftists in general ofc). I think that he makes a strong point in reaction to the far-left people. You cannot predict how an ideology (leftism) that is coming up right now will develop over time and whether it is good or bad. One is foolish to disregard historic events that show outcomes of certain ideologies. Although, you are right to say that this should not hold you back too much to develop the system further. I know that very well as I have actually been in those countries and live in a comparable one myself. These countries including Germany also let in tremendous amounts of Muslim refugees and try to integrate them into the society (using that money that you talked about). This is ofc due to leftist policies. I argue that these countries will loose their happiness and healthiness by a large amount in the attempt to integrate these refugees. This is actually one of the main reasons why I will leave Germany. I actually track how crime and such things develop in my country and the neighbouring ones and can assess what the policies in the last 10 years changed. Not such a paradise as you think it is. Btw, if you want a paradise. Check out Switzerland. From what I have seen so far, most of his actual content (which is long educational discussions about psychology and philosophy) is not very demonizing at all (in contrast to how the media reports on him). Most of his university students were women btw. The practicality of his wisdom is assessed by how much he helps an individual in his own life. In all of your comments I think you confuse that JP attacks stage Green which he doesn't. As I stated before he is well aware of the need of leftists to counter the right. All he is attacking is the far-left that IS NOT Green but red/blue as it promotes radical ideas that are far beyond reason.

You make a lot of fair points in your answer basically saying that the "Green" people aren't as bad as portrayed by the alt-right media and JP. Also that they make intellectual discoveries that push the moral landscape forward. I think though that you mis-characterize JP. I don't know how aware you are of his clinical work, his popular work on individual responsibility and his understanding of past political systems. JP is a big proponent of a "fair fight" between the left and the right (politically) as it is needed to keep the competence hierarchies fair and give enough chances to the dispossessed to become successful. He attributes a lot of positive facts to the "Greens" in the society and weighs them as equally needed as the right to balance the societal system and keep it fair for everyone. His critique of the far-left identity-politics people (that he does not confuse with the Greens / normal leftists) is based on the historic fact that every instance of socialist policies ended in catastrophes like the Soviet Union (which you probably know quite well ). This makes him belief that he should warn the people when he sees popular leftist movements that are radical enough in their core beliefs to change society in a bad way. Now, though I support him on this one, he is clearly not looking enough into how socialism can develop the society further, that's for sure. Other than that (which the media takes and puts out of context the entire time [to make money off him]) he mainly and especially right now talks about individual responsibility and how you can become a better human being by bringing psychological science to the society. If you read his book or watch his videos on these topics, I'd bet that you would support 80% of his speech in these fields. Is he a good source for how to progress through the stages, enlightenment and so on? No. His wisdom lies in more practical manners. But I find that most popular persons have one key area in which they shine and that's it. So, I think if you see him in this more holistic way you really find tremendous value in what he has to offer. If you find that this talk is pure climate denial, I think you are over-generalizing. In my estimation he weighs the value of climate change and what we can actually do about it with other problems to which we know solutions to but don't act. But I also wouldn't agree with him on this one. I think you should really push the right energy forms to be "good enough". Lastly, I'd to say that none of you socialist, leftist Americans really knows how it looks like if this ideology is applied on a practical political level. Come to France or Germany and see it for yourself. Pay 35 - 45% income tax plus tons of other fees to than spend the 30 - 40% of the money you have left on healthcare, housing and food.

So you would define post-modernist, transgender identity-politics people that are also Marxist as green and thereby higher in development as Jordan Peterson? I would partly agree that JP is blue/orange as most of his talk is concerned with that stage, I just think that the people he is criticising are actually deeply blue masked in green territory. There is a reason why there are no hippies in the news (actually greens) but there are these crazy leftist people promoting mindless bs. If you follow JP's wisdom that he got from reading tons of books and research, you are a million times better equipped to have a meaningful life and develop compared to the fuzzy thinking that his leftist opponents promote, imo. Btw, the stuff he talks about and his products is basically your life purpose course. Good stuff.

So true.

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Your post in one of the reasons why I dislike @Leo Gura talking about deep topics containing phrases like death, ego suicide, etc. To someone that is as far as Leo or more advanced, this kind of talk can make sense and illustrate ideas or experiences. To someone like @Baotrader, it is confusing and misleading because you don't have the capacity yet to make sense of it. That's why in Zen they only give the knowledge to you, that you can handle. Otherwise, ppl would go crazy.

Actually, a friend of mine got in contact with Shinzen Young by just emailing him. Aim high.

I have had a few mentors in my life so far that developed my state of being in terms of ability, intelligence and lastly awareness. I would certainly not be near the understanding I have now, if I wouldn't have had ppl who led me. This is for sure one of the best advices in general, not just for enlightenment. In my experience even the "high / famous / intelligent" people will help you, if you show lots and lots of interest, potential and will to work hard and for free at the beginning.

I'm sorry for your friend, but that's why all the people warn so deliberately that you should be ready to do this. If you are unstable and do it w/o supervision, you can be fucked for sure.

That's true. You should only consume it when you are 15 years or older. Before that it really can fuck with your brain. However, 5-MeO literally physically fucks your brain and should never be done by someone that is younger than 21.

Hey guys, I'm gonna visit San Francisco from the 3th to the 12th of September. I got a few places I'm gonna visit in this time, but I have enough free time to have a meet or two. I'm gonna meet up with @Juan Cruz Giusto. If you live near by, let me know and we can meet as well. Last summer I met @Be Yourself in Vancouver and it was awesome. Very excited to visit the US. Cheers, Az PS: To the moderators. I'm posting this here because most of the guys from this section know me.

It's actually not slippery at all. You are just in a very confused state of mind. And that's your normal state. Fix this and enlightenment will fall into your lap.

Actually, it has been proven now for years that weed can help cure certain kinds of cancer and a lot of other illnesses including regular pain. It's not unhealthy at all. Big misconception.

You've mixed a few things up here. Not really, no. Took me personally 2 weeks until I noticed that something changed, for example. (Not because the change was so "little" but because it was so fundamental that I needed two weeks to find the sanity to think straight about it.) And just by listing the symptoms of what had changed I figured it must be enlightenment. And I had extensive conceptual knowledge about enlightenment. So you would think that I knew "what to expect". Let me tell you, you will not know what hits you. That's why I tend to dislike spirituality these days, because it's too far away from the actual thing. Not talking about it might be a better way to approach it. Just sit or ask yourself "who am I" and wait. That's because enlightenment is such physiological change in your whole mind-body system, that you are confused in the beginning. It takes months and years to integrate what really happened. And even then, you just figured out "who you are". That's by far the easiest thing to find out when it comes to contemplation. Because you are it. You just have to find "you". Try contemplating "what is another" or "what is reality". That's a completely different thing to find out. Finding out "who you are" is the entrance to a lot more enlightenments that are way harder to achieve. That's why so many spiritual teachers talk about different things and confuse ppl alot. That's why you shouldn't talk about it. Peter Ralston and Eckhart Tolle are both enlightened, but probably have a completely different way of perceiving the world because the depth of their enlightenment and achievement varies a lot. That's one way, probably. I think I could talk someone into enlightenment that would be willing to give up everything he or she knows about this world. The problem is, most people have some conceptual walls they don't want to give up, that's why this method either needs a lot of time or doesn't work with people. My best advice on getting enlightened is this: Figure out how you bullshit yourself, which lies you tell yourself, which unproven assumptions you take as real. Write all of this down and then melt every one away by contemplating it. Write down the walls that keep your ego in place, and then get rid of the walls. And then just sit and wait until it hits you. And then wait 5 years before you write your first book. Cheers, Az

Actually, a friend of mine said the same thing about Vancouver before I went there and it was so beautiful that I decided to move there after my studies. In Vancouver, most of the fucked up people are in one part of the city. Visited it once, wasn't nice. Compared to Europe, I would guess (from videos as well) that the US is way more fucked when it comes to homeless ppl. But I will see for myself. Hopefully, I booked a hotel in the right part of the town. I think I did doe.

Thanks, I'm thrilled to visit SF.

Actually, I thought about spending the weekend (8.09 - 09.09) somewhere else. I thought about going to Las Vegas. If I come to LA, I let you know in advance.

Nice!

Thanks