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Let's open it up - @Water by the River I would like to hear your thoughts . I have come to the realization that suffering was the catalyst in my awakenings - the initial one of no self, (this includes the subsequent awakenings that came thereafter) and now, six years later, another awakening. Again, suffering. Yes, in the first one, i meditated, but after that they came spontaneously. So i do beleive suffering was behind it - and the meditation just brought it home. I didn't realize how important sufffering was in awakening until now. I knew it was huge, but I didn't think I could ever awaken again until i expereinced immense suffering again - similar to what i felt 6 years back when i awoke. Thoughts guys?

I wish this were correct but alas it is not. The suffering for a lost love can awaken you far quicker than 5-MeO DMT.

That's OK. You can still have Truth. You just have to shut that off.

If you truly desire Truth you must be willing to die for it. The thirst for Truth must surpass the will to live.

As long as you are legitimately suffering- the results will be the same. But it gets tricky because if the ego is intentionally doing it that that in itself is selfishness. So yeah - if you are able to actually starve yourself - the results are the same . You will suffer and experience God. So go do it. Much easier said than done.

I guess it's possible. But the Buddha is just a story after all.

Yes. But you can't go actively looking for it. You have to suffer of your own doing - out of selfishness - until you reach a point where living with yourself is torment. That's when you will hit nirvana

Then go into God Mode. Don't you see that without modes it would have absolutely no meaning?

Nothing is random. You are God you just dumbed yourself down for the experience. If it you knew it would stop being mysterious. That's the whole fun in the fucking thing. The mystery.

@ZeroguyHeh. Doing it for the pussy. How wise of you

@SQAAD @Leo Gura yet neither one of you have died from a meteor shower yet...isnt that curious? In fact neither one of you has "actually" died from anything. Very curious indeed.

You can't go wrong quoting Ramana.

Those are really wise words. I know what you are saying. The reason I bring up an alternate worldview to materialism is that ultimately this duality will need to exist until science and spirituality merge- this will be hundreds of years from now. But ultimately all will be revealed. We can say the same of the term Solipsism. Eventually the term won't be needed. It wasn't needed by me until I got used to it. What's your take on "other"? Do you know that at the deepest level nothing exists outside of your direct consciousness?

You are an idealist. Don't shy away from reality being consciousness. The big difference between a materialist and an idealist is that an idealist can go on and become a mystic. They can directly interface with Absolute Truth and God. Where a materialist will be left in the dream knowing nothing beyond this.

Precisely. He fails to go the final steps. The admittance of God. It's OK. He will come around eventually. I stopped waiting long ago.

You're very simple minded then. And quite wrong. Look - try the experiment I mentioned above and let me know the results. See you in 2o years.

It's not that simple - it's not just another duality like up and down. Suffering is a key aspect to awakening to God. Let's just be honest here. Suffer for decades and it will save you equal time in meditation. Suffer 20 years and then meditate for two weeks. It works. Or don't experience anything and meditate for 20 years ..let me know the results.

No I need to read better lol. Apparently. I got used to skimming through crap here - because many tend to ramble Well - I'm glad you're an idealist- like me. But remember - it doesn't make you special. The materialists need to share the earth with us too. And so do the religious.

Actualized.org is not a philosophy, religion, or ideology. It is the deconstruction of everything including your own mind. Including deconstruction. In the end you are left with nothing. An elegant solution to the problem of something.

This is brilliant. You nailed it. Now all you have to do is suffer A lot. And you shall awaken to your true nature. And it shall be a glorious day when you do.

tell them that not me...I just have tried talking to people already so deep in religion. It's futile.

You're 100 percent right but- we don't return again and again- Its One. Its not a mistake- there are no mistakes. Mind and no MInd are One- so we don't need to return- we never left.

Obviously. Ok..you want to do this don't you. By your logic, everything would be random. But if you haven't noticed already, throughout your life you have seen signs that it is not random. Have you not? So you believe it's just Infinity exploding - unfolding in whatever shape it unfolds as - in the now. It's just Being. I get that - but see - that makes reality dumb. Reality isn't dumb. Its smart- in fact it's so smart that it's infinitely smart. Infinitely smart- do you realize what that entails?

Just a little misunderstanding. Of course. Changing my worldview as we speak

Lol.