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What I mean by that is the Jewish people as a whole. If they didn't do what they had to do they wouldn't have their own state and a powerful military, etc. They probably wouldn't even exist at all. What I think their goals are here is not genocide but it is to preserve their nation. Which they took by force. The US gained indendence from the British by force and so it goes on and on. Do you think if the roles were reversed and Hamas ends up being victorious that they would leave a place for Jews in their government or land. Possibly but most likely no, because of what others mentioned earlier - the religious differences, etc.

@Flim my spirituality and metaphysical or spiritual views (which by the way are a result of direct experience and meditation) really have nothing to do with relative matters such as this. So whether I am awake or not is irrelevant. But all that aside..I'm not per se defending "zionism" or the way Israel is behaving. I'm basically presenting an alternate perspective in order to bring more balance to the atmosphere here. You see, there appears to be a deep bias against Israel on this forum and that's mainly because what's happening there is current events. So yeah let's examine this because it's current but also we have to zoom out and explore the larger phenomenon of survival as a whole. Because while it seems like Israel is committing all of these atrocities, and they are, it's naive to think that other nations wouldn't do the same given their current level of development. And unfortunately if there was a spiral dynamics tier 2 nation they would be eaten alive in today's world. Israel has been the nice guy in the past and look where it got them. So it's important to keep a balanced perspective because when you get a demonization of one nation then you end up being the devil yourself. And this doesn't help anyone.

What’s Zionism? It'’s a fiction in your mind. There is only what you are. Zionism is some made up conceptual crap that anti-jews use as some sort of movement. Fuck em. Where were they when we were being walked to the gas camps. Most of them weren't even born. So..genocide. We got one of the captains last week. Be happy for that because if he had the chance he would have exterminated you.

Good guys are the good guys and the bad are the bad We have lines here let's not muddy the waters.

Netanyahu knows damn well they dont care if he is among civilians. If Hamas had the chance to kill him they would no matter who else died in the process. If you don't believe that you are kidding yourself. You want to demonize Netanyahu but the truth is Hamas would not hesitate to take out women and children for their cause.

Well i will ask you this: What the difference between 1000 and 15000? The numbers? Children and innocent civilians died. On both sides. So is one number worse than another? Yes it is but is one more right than another? Children died in both situations. So you are ultimately left with is war right. That's what you are really left with. If i lost a bother and you lost two brothers and a sister does that make any one side better?

You really need to look into your disdain for Israel. Maybe it's because you are Jewish by blood. But you have to realize that your views are completely subjective and you do not take into account the Jewish peoples need to persist as a race. I think you forget that sometimes.

Here's one for you @Socrates. What's the difference between a Truth and a lie?

That's fair. If you don't feel it in your heart then it's not there.

No..I believed it because it was a "reputable" source. The truth is you weren't there and neither was I. So next time he asks you for your source just say it's my view based on what I have researched. There's nothing objective about it.

True but you were sure quick to provide objective facts by ABC on how 15000 kids were killed. Maybe that didn't happen either.

Youd have to be a Jew to understand.

Yeah but first you have to place your belief in the scholar behind the book.

A book is very subjective and you know that.

He asked for sources on this.

What I'm afraid of with the Biden/Kamala administration is that they don't think with their own mind. They are pawns for their party. Trump at least is his own mind. That actually could also be a very bad thing because then you can get a true dictator.

And Im sure there are the fanatics that feel he is the hand of God too. But most probably just think he might be a pawn in Gods overall plan.

I'm just going by the guidelines you set in the thread. If christians believe he's a prophet that's basically equivalent to Jesus. Personally I don't see that. I think they may think he aligns with their views but being Godlike is another matter. More likely they are just brainwashed Trumpists. And he aligns with their overall worldview. And they definitely glorify him.

They just stop speaking at higher levels

If they see someone as their prophet- then nothing is going to dissuade their view. They will make up things to justify this in their own minds. Did Hitler's Germany turn on him when he committed mass genocide? No.. they were so under the spell that they justified it as the greater good. It was only at the very bitter end when their own survival was threatened that they could possibly look another way.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Such a bleak plot twist

What you've missed is that it will only strengthen their beliefs in fairy tales. They will believe that it was God's purpose no matter what happens. Even if Trump started WW3 and killed millions the Christians will think it was God and that the greater good is yet to be seen. You have no idea how sneaky religion is.

Hahahaha...classic man. Come on give us coral ! Then give is what's beyond Coral!

But your worldview is that there is an objective reality thus the soul should be something tangible. But where is it? What is it? What I found and this is what ultimately led to my awakening, was that the soul is a thought. It doesn't exist anywhere.