Inliytened1

Ahh no worries man - yeah man a lot of it is saying the same things in different ways. Language is funny like that. It's all good. You're very beloved here...I just wish i had as much time to spend here as you do! Yeah but for the Absolute for me you can't perceive it or think it you just become it. You become the Absolute. You always were the absolute but your state of Consciousness actually expands to become the totality of the Absolute. Or God.

Want is the keyword. If they're just going to give it to them don't act like Israel orchestrated it. Yeah they're in a better position now but it wasn't something they orchestrated so let us be clear. To say otherwise implies some type of conspiracy theory.

As if it's some Master plan. Israel is just defending it's own. Albeit sometimes too much.

Probably to blame Israel. @zazen and as i read further, as i predicted, here it comes.

We're saying the same thing in different ways. I don't say only me exists I am saying only the Absolute exists. The thing is to realize what you are saying you have to break away from the materialist paradigm which states that you aren't the Absolute, but that you are a physical biological entity and that you are in a physical universe with external objects. Hence the duality of self and other. So when I say we are a mind I am saying that to differentiate between the materialist paradigm or physical paradigm vs consciousness being the paradigm in which all is One making it Absolute. This isn't just Leo this is anyone who can discover it.

Well look - each of us walk their own path. Awakening for you is what it is for you. Just because I didn't start your path doesn't mean I didn't find it in my own way. The discussion here was whether there are other minds. Well to me If there isn't a self how can there be other, Absolutely speaking. If you don't want to talk about that then maybe this isn't the thread for you. I am not saying you aren't awake, so please have the same respect. Obviously you have been here for a number of years and you have a lot of good positive constructive things to say here. So it is appreciated. I apologize for insinuating that you didn't have any awakenings. I'm sure you have. This is just a very specialized topic about awakening per se.

Are you saying that conceptualizing about awakening isn't the actual thing? Of course not but these are things you can discover ACTUALLY in a non-dual state or a state or no-self. Why are you demonizing concept? After all concept and actual is a duality!! So again you sound just like the neo-advaitan bunch. Or maybe you need the non-duality trap bear video. I'll have to find it and show to you.

Right and the problem with other minds is they will always source from your own mind. There is no escaping that and never will. So if you imagine other minds real you imagine them into existence. But you can imagine them out of existence too. Now obviously there's higher levels of imagination at play..one can't deny that. But they're not happening behind the scenes or elsewhere. There happening in that very same now. Infinity is capable of that, as, outlandish as that seems. But one can expand to Ifninite Consciousness and see it all themselves. Problem is nobody wants to.

If there is no objective reality well then.....there's nothing independent of what you're conscious of right now. It's not that complicated really. It's just a matter of whether you think their are other minds or not. That's really for someone to discover and validate on their own via awakening. But I can tell you this even Leo's video on Infinity of God's relies on the same mechanisms that your dream relies on. If you imagine other minds are real they will be real to you. You'll never be able to escape that everything sources from YOUR own mind. And that's how all of reality functions.

Wait what, you are beloved here. Don't you dare leave! You have provided more love and laughter here then anyone else ever on the forum. That's a big hooray! Other than when you disagreed with me on the political forum. That's a problem. But we'll address that later. Don't you dare leave !

Wow it's been a long time. How are you? Yes I understand. I have felt like I should be farther along in life than where I was at. Is that what you are feeling or are you just feeling stuck in a specific situation? I think ultimately we get to a point where we just don't want to be in that situation anymore and we make a change because we have to in order to survive . I think I'm actually in that position now with a particular thing in my life. So you are just going to have to pick yourself up by your bootstraps and make a change. That's what I'm going to have to do in my situation.

What I take from this is who the heck cares what anyone else thinks. If you've awakened you already know they are fictions of your mind but even if you're not, STOP fucking comparing your life to everyone else's and measuring it against that which is "other" your life is Absolute and it is amazing just the way it is. However you make it!

Well he's right that concepts won't get you there. But one should be careful to also not mistake enlightenment as a concept too. It's a very tricky trap to fall into. Solispsim was one of the final awakenings for me - so it's very difficult to talk about and mostly I just choose not to. It's a lot easier to grasp if you've had some basic awakenings such as no self and the like. It's almost pointless to argue with someone about it.

Yeah well no thank you. I know my own path and it took the mind. I think you're leading people down the wrong path like those neo-advaitans.

Elaborate. I was pointing out the difference between physicalism and idealism. And what the true nature of reality is. Of course it's mental if im claiming everything is mental! Nothing happens In a brain bro. And..furthermore there is nothing outside of your immediate perceptual field right now. Nothing. Your perceptual field if you want to call it that Is literally all there is to reality. It's not really "yours" because there isn't a self. But you're arguing with a figment of your imagination. So I hope you get a kick out of it!

Haha. This is why I typically don't entertain these types of conversations but since I haven't in a while I don't mind. Dude..imaginary just means reality is made of dream stuff..of mind stuff. It doesn't make any other person any more or any less real. They are just mind stuff. It's no different than you being in a night time dream and interacting with the people in your dream. You are imagining they are real just as you are imagining the dream is real. And while you are dreaming, unless you are lucid dreaming, that is your reality. That dream is all you know and you don't even know it's a dream. It just IS reality. But then....then..you wake up. And wow! Holy fuck. You realize that everything that happened was just a fucking dream. And none of it matters the least tiny bit. And all of the people and animals you were interacting with - they were all just projections of your own mind. Well..this thing..this thing you're in right now? It's precisely the same thing. That's the claim from me but find out for yourself if you fucking dare. It's worth it - but you may never be the same when you come back.

You made my case then. If imaginary vs real collapse there is nothing. Right ? So is other still there after there is nothing? No man..there's just Being. That's all that was there and that's all that will ever be. Being. And Being is right now. So anything we can safely say is held within Being. That is duality and form. Its form. It's imaginary. Real vs imaginary is relative to certain definitions of what you consider real and imaginary to be. But in the Absolute sense imaginary means form.

If you read my post I said with awakening or enlightenment you will see that other is imaginary and held within your own mind. That's just what I'm claiming find out for yourself.

Bur you can see for yourself that other is imaginary no different from self. It's awakening.

Other is in your present moment now. And when you awaken the duality of self and other does collapse. So we can talk about it all day but ultimately it will be revealed with awakening. Both self and other is in your present moment even now.

Agreed

Haha. Love that. You are the buddah. So when you see him on the side of the road spare him. Hes you.

That is where you want to be but you haven't done it long enough for enlightenment. For you it could take years of doing this and not leaving this state. Many monks have sit and tried for decades. I was lucky.

Humor me here because I want to do a little self inquiry. Don't just dismiss and say you are a man but now let's think of the metaphysical sense. No. Don't just skip over that because in that is actual awakening. You're conceptualizing by browsing over it. No. Sit down in meditation and dispel the notion that you are a man. What is a man? What does it mean? Does it mean someone with a penis or is it an idea in your mind of a masculine entity. Is it an entity behind the eyes that's masculine vs feminine? For me I thought I was this, this entity behind the eyes. A soul. But when I realized that this was an idea or a thought it hit me that the me was a total illusion. This spawned enlightenment. So don't brush over this. Enlightenment is not conceptual as you are explaining it to be. It will be actual.