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It's the same other than the egoic state is not all there is - there is the God state which is Infinite Consciousness. Wikipedia mentions subjective idealism and a much deeper version of Solipsism but still it doesn't quite go far enough as far your Mind being infinite Mind and nothing outside of your Mind can exist as Infinity. (God)

You are imagining others. Everything is held within your imagination. Including the thoughts about what "us" guys are doing You act like you know solipsism is true, but if you ever actually directly realized it via awakening, you would shit your pants and lose all sense of reality.

@Bazooka Jesus you can't have wisdom without unearned wisdom...come on - wisdom 101.

Well - I think everyone is different. I feel you can be the most enlightened being on the planet and still sometimes get lost in the dream. Dont you see? That's the whole point of this thing. To make it as immersive as possible!! So losing yourself in the dream is OK. But ultimately yes - an enlightened being there is a degree of peace knowing the Truth. And it really does allow you to be at peace with yourself. But you can also make dumb decisions that end up causing you some grief and suffering - that's just because you are immersed as I stated. If you choose to be a monk and leave society to just bliss out that is also an option. But then you are kind of putting yourself on the sidelines - which is fine, if you have no interest in playing. But if you do play there are stakes.

Not necessarily

@Princess Arabia No..suffering is brought about from the ego's own selfishness. That has been my own experience anyway, which is all i have. To me the suffering is really a result of the mind, brought about by the mind. Even phyiscal ailments can be overcome through the mind - pain can be eradicated via the mind. I know that's not easy of course. So it is really is all in the mind. And the ego has a very selfish mind - hence lots of suffering

It can't be known, because it is prior to knowing - the hand cannot grasp itself because it is itself. The self reference problem. This is the mysterious nature of Conscoiusness or God -it cannot be pinpointed anywhere because it already is everything. It's like Mario in the game - he can point everywhere within the game, but he cannot reach outside of the game to point back at himself. But, it can BE - one can BE Pure Consciousness, and Being is superior to knowing because it is prior. (and in the Mario example, Being would allow him to wake up from the game and break out of it) So Omnisicience isn't "knowing" it's being.

@Emerald Thanks for sharing. From my perspective, I believe the Infinite is just Pure Divine Bliss and Love, it cannot suffer. Because it is Infinite. And the infinite is nothing - it is selfless. But when God incarnates into a finite a form - wich we call an ego here - it is the cause of its own suffering through its seflishness. It is the selfishness of the ego that brings about suffering. When the ego has suffered enough, massive amounts, mercy will be shown by God - which was there the whole time. God must show mercy just as it must show suffering through selfishness. Yes, there are other kinds of suffering through physical pain, but that isn't the suffering i'm talking about that brings God's Love and God's mercy. It is deep suffering - which could be ruining a relationship of someone you loved so deeply, and now you have lost it, or it could be losing something else, a part of you, through selfish mistakes in judgement as the ego's mind is filtered through its own selfish desires. Ultimately, the mercy is awakening to one's true nature, and feeling God's Love wash over you - immediately taking away all of the suffering. But many times for this, you must have ego death, or a part of you must suffer so much that it dies or is pulled apart before you are shown the mercy of God (the Infinite).

when you are in a state of the ego, or the self, then God is in fact other - so you are a part of God - but this can collapse in a non-dual state in which you will become ALL of GOD. So sure, you can pray, you can talk to God, you can ask God for things. Yeah, in the big picture it's all you, but it doesn't mean you can't separate things out. It really doesn't matter if its separate or if its One...either way, God is Good. As the ego you are a part of God, but as Pure Consciousness you are God proper!

Actually it does - because you are the only Consciousness in town, so of course you can awaken. We see people die everyday and we wonder, why do some die young and others don't? And why am I still here? But notice - that we are just imagining other people dying, just like we are imagining that other people can or cannot awaken. It's all imaginary, because you are God, and hence, you are the only thing that can awaken!

Precisely.

Sorry, I've been in monk mode since my awakening. I shut away from all social media even my cell phone, and have just been sitting in meditation. The waves of bliss were too much. I wish i had never stopped meditating. But yes, its not very close to solipsism - its Absolute Solipsism - meaning, you aren't part of God, you are the WHOLE of GOD. You're the whole thing.

Well, that's not entirely true - there could be all awakened people. Wouldn't such a society be glorious? it would be far different from what we have now. Just nothing but mystics. Now that is like something out of a science fiction book, like an advanced, awakened, alien race.

@Water by the RiverThere is no specific way an enlightened being has to act, or even teach. They can use words how they deem fit- but the key there, is that they will be pointing to something that can be found in direct experience. Some may use the word God, others may choose not to. Some may use the term ifninite, others may not. But there is usually going to be a common ground somewhere. Like you said, most enlightened beings don't really speak openly with such terms as God and Solipsism, because as you pointed out, it can cause confusion for the unenlightened being. So i agree there. This is something we do here rather flippently, and perhaps we should tone it down rather than cause confusion or cause the newcomer here to fall into delusion of the ego... But i think as long as it is pointed out not to take anything as a belief or an idealogy, but to do spiritual practices to discover whats True for yourself, then the teacher is doing his due diligence.. And again, here we also have a book list with many great authors, some enightened, that can break it down better than we can on a forum, with threads that are often incomplete or missing certain aspects of things. Look at all the texts you have perused and your knowledge of spirituaity is pretty top notch. So you didn't get confused. We can't really make everyone understand how not to confuse the ego with the various facets of enlightenment. We make it pretty clear that the ego goes by the wayside, in fact, when one realizes these facets. But only through spiritual practices, and I might add, deep suffering. Deep suffering is a necessary component, hence my post. I think it is often overlooked.

If there isn't a self, then there isn't other either. But that is precisely what Oneness is. Lets look - do other's exist? yes! sure they exist - as a concept. The self also exists, as a concept. Read Peter Ralston for more insight into that. I'm speaking with you conceptually now, so whether you physically exist is immaterial - we are merely concepts ourselves exchanging concepts. On a deeper level it is just God speaking with God.

Yup. Well, I'm going to break it down for you guys. Really think about the collapse of the self/other duality. If there isn't a self, then how can there be anything separate or outside of that self? THere can't. There can only be, well, BEING. and that's what we have. We have Being..

I know what you are saying here. But its the same thing. You're just conufsing the concept of God with the actuality of God. When you become God you are aren't going to post about it, because you are just being God. So there isn't any words involved. We're just using the terms here as pointers.

This is simply not the case. With all due respect. The mistake you make here is that the psyche has absolutely nothing to do with God realization or enlightnement ( I am using the words interchangeably here) The psyche is the ego mind, and it must perish for you to experience yourself as God. Now once that happens, you can have later awakenings, but that is only because you are already conscious that the self is illusory. So the ego plays no role in this. What you are referring to is shadow work, which again, is not a prerequisite of enlightenment. Enlightenment is about losing the form and merging with the Godhead. No not merging, becoming.

Let's examine this a bit deeper. If its another dimension than I cannot see or touch, then it is no different than being singular. That is what the Infinity of Gods video by Leo stated. It does not contradict solipsism.

You are kind of contradicting yourself here. First you say it is the crucbile, but then you say it does not lead to enlightenment. Well, if it pushes you in that direction I would say that means it leads to enlightnement. i think what you are saying is that not everyone who suffers will awaken. I would concur with that - but now I bring you back to solipsism. If only suffering can wake you up, and its just you, then there you have it. I'm telling you man, i had a massive awakening as God tonight. What I am telling you is the real deal. There is no other. There is only You. You can say, well, if that was the case, why even bother trying to convince me of it - but i do have a ready answer for that. It's because you are me!

yeah, you face that bad boy head on. But it's more profound than even that. Look at what @Someone here said about Tolle - he couldn't continue to live with himself. That is suffering. He was there, he just didn't harm the body. And that's what gets you to enlightenment. It's just because enlightenment is death - God is death. I would never say harm the body because you can die without doing that, and i was no different than Tolle. In fact my enlightnement is about the same as his.

Other is identical to God, but if you are God, that makes them you. They ARE you, they don't have independent consciousnesses. I don't want to turn this into a solipsism thread, but it is as fundamental as suffering, so we have to acknowledge it. And it also addresses all the weird questions if ypu think about it. You dont have to have the direct realization of it to know that it solves almost every question of the ego mind.

Exactly! Those are perfect examples! so there you go...

It's not. It's just pure suffering in finite form. But if the deep longing causes you suffering, it will have the same affect.

Yes I know it was sober, impressive. Because I know you took psychedelics as well. But have you realized Solipsism? I mean utlimately this must be the ultimate conclusion. You must know that if you are ahead of us. Do you not believe that you are all of God? After all, if you do realize that you are all of God, that you are Pure Consciousness and Oneness - then you must also know that there cannot be "other" , other than in your imagination. That is the ultimate realization and the one thing holding one back from God realization.