Inliytened1

If we are talking about Actualized as a community it is very wide spread but even still there are some who do push their beliefs on others just in a very subtle way. I meant those who have awakenings or are God realized (actual mystics) don't need to push or covert anyone but the teachings are available for them if a person is open minded enough to listen. That's the farthest thing from cult like behavior. Yet if I were to walk into a Church I immediately feel like I need to believe in Christ and its only a matter of time before it's poshed on me. I still go..I don't mind it at all. My gf is a devout Christian. We make it work. We don't push things on each other. She doesn't really understand what true spirituality is or meditation or actual vs concept. Or no-self or Buddhism or any of that. And that's OK. We make it work.

True and if enough of those build up it could be a problem. I understand. He probably can sense a troll quicker than I can. But you never know. That's why there is a point system that should be used. Leo wants mods using point systems so he should follow the same rule.

The awakened.

Those Christians are a tough nut to crack 😀 but you're right we aren't trying to break them,. They're trying to break us.

Yeah but.... He wouldn't waste his time joining here just to bash Leo. Heres what's really going on. The problem is he doesn't understand actuality vs concept because he is stuck in a world view and he feels threatened by the teachings here because it threatens his beliefs. It triggered him. I've learned anyone that's even made it here that lashes out is because they at least realize it threatens their entire view of reality. And that's scary.

You shouldn't ban him for ignorance Leave him here he might learn something. If we are gonna ban this dude we should ban all the neo advaitans too. The problem is he doesn't understand actuality vs concept because he is stuck in a world view and he feels threatened by the teachings here because it threatens his beliefs. I've learned anyone that's even made it here that lashes out is because they at least realize it threatens their entire view of reality. And that's scary.

Indeed.

If you really want to go meta - evil is completely subjective. What you think is evil is based on survival. But God isn't restricted to that so what would be evil to God? From a human perspective the same but when looked at as a collective human experience - evil does exist.. because from a survival perspective most of us can all agree that something is evil. Majority wins. Also you feel it in your bones as a human. But take Hitler as an example. Who was he evil towards is the real question.... Not whether he himself is evil.

When you really sit down to question the you that you think your are - this entity behind the eyes - you start to realize that you can never pin point it exactly or directly. Example. You think you are an entity behind the eyes. Ok. Where is that though exactly can you place it or see it? Is it then nothing? But what is nothing? Or do you believe you are the soul? So what is a soul? Does it exist somewhere in time and space? Or is it nothing? And what is nothing? You start to realize that these are all concepts. The self is a concept. Go read Peter Ralston's book on not knowing and meditate big time. And then listen to Leo's self inquiry videos.

I agree but isn't there some merit to getting lost im.the dream? Where else would be the realism.of being you.

Cool analogy. Can you escape your own Event Horizon? Only by defying the laws of physics.

It's nothing. It's a dream..

You're right but that is what is has evolved into. Which is sad. But the reality is when I joined i wanted like minded individuals to be able to interact with. That's not what this is. Maybe that's a good thing. Otherwise you run the risk of it turning into a cult.

When you start to have the realization that nothing would exist if it weren't for you. I mean, would it? We carry the belief that something exists "out there". It's always something out there. But see this brings you back to the ancient question of something out there. Out there beyond all consciousness. In other words could anything exist without someone being "aware" of it? Think now that if no one is aware of it isn't that the same as it not existing. And so there you have it. That lays the foundation for idealism. But it gets much deeper when you realize that no only this is true but other consciousness are also "out there." The age old philosophical question is if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around does it make a sound? But now realize that other is the forest and the tree. Becsuse it also can be questioned.

This is false. You know nothing of enlightenment. It's very real and it is not conceptual or just the concept that there is no self to be enlightened. If you understood the difference between concept and actuality you might have a shot. But you don't. This is the problem with you neo-advaitans. You've turned it into a religion. It is not. It is actual spirituality.

It's not Schumer he wanted to hold out. They should have held out. Had they held out it would have been on Turnp. Dems cave once again.

The tarrifs destroyed Trump. Whether they work 10 years from now mean nothing. Americans needed immediate relief from the disaster of Biden. Which was a disaster. But this is worse because it has compounded on the disaster plus the guy is just an asshole. MAGA is a joke. MASA (Make America Starve Again) should be the acronym.

I don't know how either. This is a joke. Trump continues to bully people. The gold news is he can't serve again.

Bro people can't eat. The right are monsters to force the left into defeat. All I can say is you guys better have a plan in place to overtake these goons. Worst President ever and not because nothing good happened but because he promised the world and delivered nothing. Groceries aren't even affordable anymore. Inflation is at an all time high. Good immigrants are being forced out. Mofhers can get abortions if they choose.. And wars rage on - Putin laughed in Trumps face. This is an all out nightmare

Because this ability directly contradicts with the ego. When you go meta you are going beyond and almost disregarding the ego. So even if you have this ability it's easy to just side with the ego as it is always pulling you due to survival of its own existence. I would agree that most on here have a gear most do not but certainly not all. Think about it. This forum is meant for debate and to do this you have to take a side. A lot here can see the other perspective and the ones that don't- well not sure how they got here.

Because most people lack the ability to go meta. It's a very special ability that not everyone has. Which means to step outside themselves.

This is the basically the "What is bias" video. Your perspective will always be skewed by your own experiences and upbringing. You will have bias due to this. Any finite being has bias. It's part of coming from a finite point of view. And we all here in finite form have a specialized limited vantage point. A finite being can't see all vantage points from it's own point of view because that's what having its own point of view means. God has no particular point of view and thus can have no bias

We all deal with addiction to some degree. It's just a matter of how severe it gets and if it's a health impacting one. But we all have them But that's a good point. But that's not self awareness that's really just getting pulled into an addiction. Sometimes it takes years for an addiction to build which to Leo's point would be why it happened after enlightenment for Alan Watts and myself. To further that point and your point as well - at that point you just don't give a hoot in most cases because you've already had the most miraculous thing happen. So everything else is completely mundane and meaningless. That's probably the worst thing or the best thing about it. I have tons of addictions. Work, pleasure, fitness..alcohol. . When I go in i go all in for a while but this neglects other stuff One must always come back to a balance.

Birth and death doesn't govern what happens in between. You make choices everyday. Is that not you? It feels like you are making those choices doesn't it? That's what I mean by free will.

In which case do you really need it?