Inliytened1

Let's she what's she's got.

She's not gonna win the debate about permanence. I think you stabbed yourself in the foot there.

Don't get scientific on me 😞

Intuition.

Her? Didn't realize she was a she. Anyways - I'm not disputing permanence. Once you wake up from a dream could you ever dream the same way? Let me ask you this. Could you forget you were dreaming again and fall back into the dream, well - that's what God does to keep you sane. He allows you to dream again. Otherwise you would go crazy. So..whatever they tell you - I'm telling you they aren't in that same God state anymore . We talk about God Consciousness all the time here. It's because you are not always in it otherwise there would be no differentiation between God Consciousness and human Consciousness. A 24/7 God state would probably lose you of all self desires and goals which includes survival. So they can tell you all day how permanent it is. The realization is permanent but states change and are impermanent. That's how you can be immortal.

But you just gave a map when you said it was infinite and groundless. All we have here are maps. But if I gave you two maps. One that led to water and one that led to the desert where you would die of thirst - which map would you follow. Either way- you have a map in your hand.

Because again he isn't currently, or i should say, the lack of him, isn't in a state of depersonalization right now. He was but now he has returned with the knowledge that he never existed. Mysticism and spirituality are a real thing. States of consciousness are a real thing. He had the realization and yeah now he can share it with the world. But notice something- "he" can share it with the world. So I'm trying to tell you that reality is comprised of states of consciousness. He is saying its just this. He is very limited with what he can teach you. He might be very good at dissolving no self. But that is just one awakening. There are more to be had. That is just the beginning. Have you listened to Frank Yang? A lot of folks get benefit from him too. But it sounds like you are taking it in from all teachers and that is good. That is how the nut cracks.

Yes. We don't disagree then he just keeps words in chains. That is the difference.

Well..I think he would agree that what is before you is all there is. It is as real as it is gonna get. Look around. Look out your window. Is there anything happening on Mars? Have you asked him that or would he say there isn't a you to know.

That is Mind.

Its it either made of atoms or it isnt. One must be Absolute.

Consciousness is before you. No need to look to Claude or Jim. Both are "other" from your perspective. Because all you have is your perspective.

Yeah well Wikipedia can call it whatever. But tell that to Jim.

Shit. Well how is the government where you are? I would say let's not derail the tbread but in this case it's mine and it was on solipsism. So I'd hope any communication off topic is welcome.

Chicago. I'm boring. Boring Dave. But Wilhelm from Africa. Fuck. That's cool.

Wilhelm..you sound like you should be from Scotland hehe.

Will you ever be able to prove which one gets conscious first.

Haha. Where ya from?

Oh no its Sir Wilhelm. Way way cooler 😎

AI Monk fools the masses. 😀

What would be the difference if it did? If it went on it's own and performed self inquiry on its own and awakened. Would you be able to tell the difference between you and Joe and you and it? No, you wouldn't be able to. It is other, no different than what other is. Other is anything perceived outside of yourself. We like to think that "other" has to be human because you are a human that has consciousness But perhaps Consciousness has you.

I fucking love this.

Well precisely That is what is so scary (to us) about this whole thing. That there is no distinction between human and synthetic mind. Notice that only solipsism overcomes this dilemma. Meaning what is Consciousness is right here before you.

And yet you can capture Infinity via its own nature. Because you are that. The trick is not to use a finite tool- but to be the thing itself. One cannot point at a thing and properly demonstrate the thing. No. One must dive in and morph, if you will, into the thing, full throttle. And then - looking out through its eyes - then it can understand.

Strongest name I have heard. Might be hard to lose the self with a name like that.