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@Mikael89 all form is relative and finite. But the Absolute Truth is Absolute Love for all of God's creations. I know this doesn't help you since you do not yet know the realm of the Absolute. But you will if you so desire.

@ajasatya exactly. This is liberation from the paradox. Love.

@Shadowraix paradox city. You are really good at spotting the paradox of which reality is.

@Moreira nice - i like that. Hardcore and go straight for it. Thats what I'm talking about. He needs to want it bad enough though to slave for the 5-10 years - heart is what it comes down to.

Total Oneness is Total Love. Question answered.

Both. I get that but why would you wanna look for the short cut and deprive you (little you) the wonder of discovering it the way Eckhart Tolle would want you to. Utilize all the methods Leo lays out. I'm sure there are some you haven't tried yet.

You have such a negative attitude...maybe that's a trap for you in this work.

I agree with the quote but its false that you are unenlightened after death. Collapse into formlessness is enlightenment. If you become enlightened while physically alive in your finite form, that's still collapsing into formlessnes but then coming back to your ego. Thats half the circle. Completing the circle is realizing that form is enlightenment and both are One - God - You. But that's only possible after you make the half way point in the circle. Its being locked in non-duality, then unlocking into duality, then realizing there is no difference.

@Dragallur good morning. Im a bit fresher today..just didn't want any distractions but i would enjoy discussing more with you. At the same time as long as Becks is OK with it. We don't wanna hijack his thread to get into the weeds of Quantum physics i don't think that's what the thread was about. Its more complex than that. At the smallest level a particle exists as both a wave and a particle. (Wave/particle duality) Physicists need to use mathematical wave functions to represent them. These wave functions basically exist as a superposition of several eigenstates - but when observed by an observer they collapse into a single eigenstate. So the wave function is expressed using Hilbert space, founded by David Hilbert. Hilbert space leverages the notion of Euclidean space which extends the finite two and three dimensional spaces of calculus and vector algebra to an infinite number of dimensions. So yes it is not an infinite amount of possible eigenstates but the underlying math can be finite or infinite dimensionally depending on particular experiement. But remember too that with the collapse of the wave function into a particular eigenstate you can get complete certainty with momentum but not position, and vice versa. You can't get both. By the way are you a physicist?

It depends. If death is instantaneous - there is no suffering. You will instantaneously be God consciousness, or the Godhead. This is pure bliss and love. If your finite form does not cease immediately there will be suffering until it does..which again afterwards results in the Godhead - pure bliss and love. So there is no reason to fear. Any suffering you could endure is finite as ultimately you are Infinite consciousness. But we are getting off topic as the discussion was if it should he encouraged.

@The Don Everyone has different levels of retaining information. Some people can pull up things they learned about one time 10 years ago and discuss is it as if it were yesterday. Others may not have this gift and need to go revisit what they have learned every so often to keep it fresh. Consciousness as a whole increases and expands, allowing you to grasp more and more things that once were just over your head. If anyone has tips on memory techniques that can improve retention and the ability to recall memories on a dime i would be all ears too.

Difference between non-sentient Beings that are programmed to be sentient, and sentient Beings -- LOVE

@Leo Gura agreed. All he was doing was stroking his own ego while demonizing and demoralizing his opponents which only fueled the mindless masses to rally behind him even more. It's sad to watch.

@Schahin as a human you are in a limited form. You're a smaller mind within the larger Mind. You are a particular finite form - so as this finite form, for you everything is relative. Free will is relative. For example if you believe you can go out into the world and make a difference in it you can. If you believe everything is hopeless and you have no control over anything than that's gonna be reality relative to you. Yes your will is still limited - Obviously you can't will the coffee table into a cat because that is the larger, Infinite Mind and you are a mind within that.

@Dragallur PM to discuss further.

Unlimited. Meaning it could collapse into any possibility.

Well in a sense look at it this way...it is probabilities. With the dice there is a finite probability 1 in 6. But with the Quantum experiments it is infinite probability. Thus there is this field of infinite probability - in reality it's not even a field - its formless or pure potential.

@Pouya exactly.

Good point. If i did not awaken perhaps i would. You are right in that you should not take other's words for Truth.

@Dragallur that's where i bring you back to spirituality...some of these founding fathers may have gone on to become mystics ..if you meditate and do the practices you can actually discover directly that reality is fundamentally mystical. All logic is contained within. But again, don't believe me - don't take it as dogma or belief - rather if you can be open minded, do the practices and see what you discover for yourself. It might surprise you. Either way it's fine - i am not preaching or pushing anything on you. I'm merely putting it out there.

@Dragallur Rolling dice isn't a good analogy because we are talking about pinpointing the position and velocity of matter here...and they can't. But the ramifications mean that classical physics and materialism are out the window. The clock work universe is out the window because matter is not in certain positions. It basically debunks materialism.

@Dragallur understood. Well basically it means if something can't be measured with 100% certainty than it has no meaning - or in other words it doesn't exist. So that's what the founders of Quantum Mechanics understood. Niels Bohr to name one. It was extremely radical. In fact Einstein had many famous debates back and forth with Bohr but in the end he couldn't get past the math. He wanted desperately to be able to pinpoint the exact location and velocity of a particle with absolute certainty but it is just not to be. Most physicists today understand this but they really just go about doing their work without consciously thinking about the ramifications...which is unfortunate. In regards to the Math - i was in no way undermining the mathematics behind Quantum Mechanics. It is sound. That is the point. I was simply stating that there was no particular reason for me to study the mathematical proofs.

Indeed. Heisenberg's uncertainty principle..but i take it you don't subscribe to logical positivism

@Dragallur Hi. Are you denying that one cannot measure a particle's velocity and position simultaneously?

@SOUL we love you - you damn bloody ape.