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Ok. I haven't really listened to a lot of Sadhguru's talks or works because namely is it free and available like Leo's? I'm not sure. I don't doubt he's awake but in a way I do doubt it until I have listened to hours of his work and talk. I haven't done that. So maybe you know better than I. But I see him more as an entertainer

The difference between him and Sadhguru is vast but to your point i think the immediate difference is Leo doesn't have monetary goals as his highest value. I knock on the guy a lot but he stays true to his values and limits distortion of the Truth. That says a lot about character and who you want to listen to as a teacher. Corruption is a strong word. Sadhguru is far more distorted. And for the record I think you're right on spending too much time here. Sort the wheat from the chaff and move on

Agreed. But that is the God or Truth within you wanting to grow and expand. Haha. The egoic part wants to trap you because it seeks only immediate pleasure. It doesn't seek to trap you necessarily but it's distorted view of reality focuses only on immediate gratification, thus ultimately keeping you in the hamster wheel. It's the God in you that counteracts this.

He could learn a lot here. But he won't. He still thinks with enough money he can transfer consciousness into another body and achieve immortality. That to him would make him God and give him Infinite power. Haha.

Thats true and it agree with that. As long as you are expecting some level of distortion of the Truth via the lens of the self. I think its important to set expectations accordingly. You make it sound in the video like it's black and white and expect that you can reach perfection as the self. Just try to live truthfully but if you slip up thats Ok - and if you don't value Truth as the highest today that's OK. Try in your life if you can. If you don't thats also OK. Distortion is OK. What I'm saying is be wary not to demonize distortion.

Interesting. Ok i agree with that. Unfortunately most people even though they care have their care distorted. I would say distortion of the Truth is a better word then corruption in this case. Their version of Truth is distorted thus even if they did care it will get them a distorted version of Truth Few will be able to dismantle their beliefs.

Well said.

Spiritually speaking the self is.a fabrication. So you have fabrication then wanting to hold Truth as it's highest value. The answer here is awakening to your true nature which is Truth or God. Still the ego will want to play it's deceptive.games. These are wise words but unfortunately they will fall on deaf ears because the ego is so.stuck on deception. Aligning oneself with Truth doesn't necessarily have to be by emodiying it. I think the highest understanding is that all is Truth regardless of embodiment. Because even if you yourself are able to embody Truth to the a high degree- which will still be finite - you will not be able to alter the rest of the population or society's level of Consciousness. Embodiment turns out to be an egoic endeavor.

@Leo Gura how do you address that the self itself is anti-truth? How can yiu expect somrthing that is anti-truth to be true? Very difficult to be true when you are surrounded by a lie.

Yes he was saying not placing Truth as the highest value was corruption. Now, even if this is true it's going to be an upwards climb explaining it to the theist. Although he does preface things by saying the people that need to hear this most are the ones that won't - or something along those lines. Also the problem is the ego itself is a lie and the survival of the ego is based on an illusion! So therefore survival itself is based on a lie. It's very difficult to base your life on Truth even if you realized it because survival is so anti-Truth to begin with by nature. Truth is actually discovering the self was fake. Or an illusion. So if fhe self is fake then all of life is fake too 😀 so how do you make Truth your priority when you yourself are a lie? Hehe.

Well i think the issue is that in your own mind you give certain values certain meaning. So how you prioritize them is relative to that scale. Everyone has their own scale. Is there Absolute Truth? Yes. This would change your scale. But the problem is unless you've realized what Truth is, it will just have a regular place in your scale. Some religious folk do prioritize God over anything else but not all - and this is usually the highly pious. You can't escape perspective here. Leo can talk all he wants about how Truth is the highest value and it is. But the problem is in how one view's Truth. You can't call her corrupt if her whole scale is skewed to begin with. Thats not really corruption that's a lack of consciousness.

Who would have thought Guy Pierce.

If you are a fan of westerns I highly recommend this film. It's dark..very dark. But one of the best westerns of all time It's a hidden gem because it didn't get the attention like for example some of Kevin Costners new films did. Anyway I will start a separate thread on greatest westerns but I think outside of Unforgiven this is one of the best.

Splendid! However i was about 30 minutes in and i see a lot of holes in the video. Will report back later with a complete analysis I think the premise is great the problem lies again In what is Truth. For example your sample of the girl choosing love over Truth will cause her problems -but prior to that you dont consider religion Truth. However it could be her Truth. So if the girl doesn't understand what Truth is and to her it is her religion then this dismantles your entire argument.

Ok but this goes back to what we were saying about the relative. It's a dream. So when you dream at night aren't you only dreaming one particular configuration? Yet all of reality is in that particular configuration because in truth it isn't about the configuration. Or one could say that particular configuration is also the entire board. Like the Tower of David is in the sand. You can make any configuration out of the sand yet it's still the same sand it's just what you see it as in your mind's eye. But in that moment it is the Tower of David.

I see the subtle distinction you are making. I've noticed it too. But also notice that you can see the relative and the Absolute as identical as well, as they are, because they're one. It's just that the average bear doesn't really grasp this, so that's why when someone talks about Solipsism it can be so gosh darn confusing for them. They haven't even come full circle to realize that the relative and the Absolute are one thing, and thus you can talk freely about it like that. Or that the form and the formless are one. Same idea.

Of course from the Absolute sense you aren't - but when I say what is being held in God's Mind i mean what is being "dreamed up" by God. So yeah, from an Absolute "perspective" - here you cannot even say there are perspectives - you can say that the room doesn't exist either, only Consciousness exists, or God, or Existence, or Reality. Or whatever you want to try and capture it with using language. the I am

I didn't say you were the "only" one, i said you were Absolute. The Absolute is the collapse of the duality of the self and other. Now, Solipsism as a philosophy is just a pointer to the Absolute, but it is a very good pointer. It is no different then saying its Oneness. We aren't talking about the dualistic concept of "one" here, as in "one" vs "two" we are talking Absolute Oneness.

My edit to the last post was - another way of saying You are God (as the Absolute not the ego) Thus, if you are God, then there can be nothing outside of you - as God is Infinite. Anything outside of your "sovereignty" would not make you Absolute. So what exists is what is held within God's Consicousness, and God's Mind. If you are sitting in a room then what exists is the room - that is what is being currently held within God's Mind. If you think about your girlfriend, then she now exists. If you imagine a unicorn, the unicorn exists. But does it have an existence outside of what is held in God's Consciousness? No. So from that perspective @Razard86 is not incorrect he just fails to explain the details.

it just means you are Absolute. Another way of saying You are God.

@enchanted summarize please

@MightyMind the tone of this tbread is that Israel - the zionists - set out with an intent to destroy the Palestinians and through deception they made it seem like ...I don't know..they aren't doing anything wrong or that it was the Palestinian's fault. Isn't that deception? To trick someone into believing something that isn't true? That they didn't plan genocide and are carrying out intentional genocide? I have a hard time with this because i do not think they had the same intentions as leaders they have been compared to. With posts like Leo saying that the only difference between them and Hitler is that they tried to hide it equates them with Hitler to begin with. I disagree with the premise that they had a plan and are Intentionally committing genocide. And that they are worse than Hitler for trying to be deceitful about it. To me this just doesn't add up for the points I and others have pointed out. And again I think to your point it's essential to go back and see what lead to what before you can make the accusation of a nation engaging in genocide let alone trying to hide it.

It is. And it would. We should always try to look at things from a big picture perspective as well as the small. Things are happening in such a way. But what led up to this? But then you get into causality and social evolution and it all becomes too grand to look at it in a single thread. I can appreciate that. But does it? How many replies here are there? More than enough to cover a broader perspective.

😀 i hope you eat avocados like I do!

Of course not.