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@Key Elements i do..i saw his quote and he said specifically that riding the ox backwards was not a test of enlightenment which is a lack of awakening to certain facets of Truth. Again it's not a knock on him it's just that he hasn't awakened to that yet. Had he been open minded to it and other facets he would still be teaching here.

@Key Elements well said! I completely get and concur with what you are saying. But it's not a bad thing either that he said he was enlightened. We don't know why he needed to say it. Perhaps he wanted validation so people would listen to him. One needs a foundation. And he had the desire to teach which i think comes with enlightenment as you want to awaken others. Who are we to judge the path of another.

@Nahm as always, my old friend (of a year) it is a paradox. We can see the goodness in Winter and his teachings. But at the same time as this is a place of teaching one must look to teaching ALL of Truth. No one is knocking Winter. For he is you. I am him. And yes, i am you. You are me as well - so get used to that. But we want to teach Truth in all of its wonderful facets and we cannot dismiss one facet over another. For that is the paradox. You are right. And yet - there is another perspective

@Truth Addict why is the sky blue? (and don't say that's relative because I'm talking metaphorically lol) I think it's actually a healthy discussion actually..and aren't you the anti-thread lock police as well as the awoke police? @mandyjw Get down !

Thanks i made the edit although ironically they are identical ! Which is why i probably did that.

What do you mean? That isness = beauty = love?

@Mikael89 you dismiss it yet you only know awareness as a concept at this point.

@Keyhole nice!

So reality just is and that's it eh? He says the enlightenment feeling (bliss) isn't Love...its a connection with the universe...umm.... see where this is going? You see how he got defensive about being lovey dovey...he was conflating relative love with Absolute. Ego.

Nice i hadn't seen that..but if you listen carefully towards the middle he describes Love with a capital L without even realizing it LOL and starts to catch himself...he describes Being as a connection with others because they are you..compassion..etc. it's like a bell went off in his head as he was talking. I think he just hasn't made the connection himself yet.

Some if the links don't work anymore but awesome share thanks.

So there's a chance Crysty may have an awakening experience? Crysty the enlightened one..i like the sound of that.

@traveler Yes...its insane..as the Godhead duality and non-duality are One and are happening simultaneously - kind of as they are now accept you are God's mind not the ego. And only certain things will be revealed at a time usually. Otherwise it's much too much to take back to the finite mind at once. There is also the realization of Oneness in which you literally take God's perspective in form and can see that all of this is in your mind and everything and everyone is you. That was some terrifying but beautiful stuff.

The Godhead.

Ralston understands that duality and non-duality are One...he came full circle. Saw that in a video posted in this forum...Winter was only teaching non-duality and dismissing everything else...including Love....as far as Ralston and Love i started The Book of not Knowing but it was after my awakening so i closed it after first few chapters because he said if you are awake already then you can close this book i didn't read Genius of Being. From what i do know he doesnt speak much about Love aspect if any but i haven't seen him dismiss either...thoughts?

@Nahm was who?

Lies are an interesting thing. Because they are in the realm of the relative - truth with a lowercase t vs falsehood is a duality..and as we know all dualities are relative. If a person actually believes their own lie is it still a lie? Isn't truth vs falsehood something we make up? Interesting questions to ponder...

@dimitri it wasn't that. It was that he was not only not teaching certain facets of Truth but he was openly dismissing them as not Truth.

That's a lie. Jk

@ROOBIO very elegantly stated. You nailed it my friend. But knowing it in concept is one thing - collapsing all that there is...leaving only you as the present moment..well that is quite another

This is definitely what happens but i would say its not so much a yearning for God because you know you are God - but it's from the sheer magnitude of infinite Love and the awe of being God. It's too much.

@theking00 if you don't even embrace relative love you won't have a chance of ever realizing that you are the Absolute - even if you stuffed yourself with DMT for a decade.

I understand your point. That's why dualities are created - like war and peace. Or love and hate. Because the realm of the relative is dualistic and finite. But when you collapse all duality you are left with isness.. and isness is synonymous with Absolute Love - (a fundamental facet of the Absolute) not relative Love. So yes to call isness relative love (lowercase l) would be true but a partial truth - incomplete and therefore in a sense false.

Indeed it is a catch 22. By surviving as you, God is Being.

Once you wake up you will understand. Right now to you Love is still a concept. Absolute Love is something different. What would reality be if it wasn't Love? It would be dumb and dry. Remember that you / God are Infinitely intelligent. When you are infinitely intelligent you need to go beyond understanding - you need to feel and be what you are in order to fully know it. That is Love. Think about what a universe would be if it wasn't Infinite Love and Infinite Intelligence? It simply couldn't be. If it was a dumb, feelingless clockwork universe then guess what? We would be looking for its source - as scientists are still doing today.