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@Shiva I really resonate with this as well. There is something that transcends both. I have studied Spiral Dynamics via Leo's teachings, I have not gone outside yet and read other books on it - so I have a question on it for you guys. I think someone on the forum (Ponder, I believe) mentioned that Stage Coral is swing back to individualism, but incorporating Turquoise' collective thinking into it. Is that the case? Leo's episodes didn't talk much about Coral, maybe because it is not considered one of the actual stages? My question on this as to how it relates to politics, is this: I believe personally i have shades of orange, green, yellow, and turquoise in me. I have Awoken, and see things much more holistically now. But there is still a part of me that believes the Left is too Left, and the Right is too Right. We need to somehow transcend this where we have something that emerges from both Socialism and Capitalism. Thoughts and how this might relate to Stage's Turquoise and Coral?

@Shin Self deception at it's finest...it's "Total..Total, Total, Total." Love those words from Leo's self deception episode.

@Shin true...and you need a break from the real work. Too much of anything can be counterproductive...Need a balance. Can't spend so much time here that you ignore the work.

@Ponder i think i might go back to physical masturbation..its much less exhausting

@cetus56 @cetus56 agreed. I say we take Mandy's advice and all go out into nature for a while Unfortunately i have to work so i have to wait until later.

@cetus56 i don't believe i was arguing or fighting with him. But if someone is self deceived and is going around deceiving others (perhaps even unconsciously) that they can become enlightened in 48 minutes and stating that they themselves can go between God and Ego at will i think needs to be pointed out for the benefit of some of the other people on the forum. That's all we are trying to do here. No one is is saying he is a bad guy or anything..we all love him.

@David Hammond that's good. But notice our posts above. Saying you are jumping between God and Ego at will is the Ego disguising itself as God. If you have truly had a mystical experience - a non-dual experience in which you became conscious of Absolute Truth or various facets of it - then you shouldn't lie and say you can jump between states at will..that's nonsense.. The only way that happens is the Ego disguising itself as the Absolute. Its fabrication. But of course the irony is you are not even conscious that you are deceiving yourself. You actually believe it. Your caught in your own deception. Otherwise it wouldn't be a successful deception. It's Total.

@Shin Yes what he is describing by jumping between God and Ego at will - that is artificial enlightenment which is his Ego the entire time deceiving itself. But hey - if in his perspective it works for him then let him be happy. It's all good in the hood but let's not confuse it with the Absolute. Its ego disguised as the Absolute. See how tricky this stuff is.

@kev014 It melts the heart when it happens. There is nothing else. Everything else pales in comparison

@zeroISinfinity don't waste your time. He can't answer basic questions about his own direct experiences because he hasn't had any.... His breathing techniques could help, but you can't put a time on when enlightenment happens. Embrace the unconscious with Love.

@Nahm it's in there somewhere

@David Hammond no it happened without psychedelics....i wouldn't think Leo's experiences were any less valid though...a mystical experience is a mystical experience. Mine was a lifetime in the making...

@TheAvatarState i doubt it. Pretty sure he is a materialist. If he had a mystical experience and actually awoke to the idealist paradigm than he would probably also be a lot more conscious..to where staying at stage orange would ultimately be impossible...he would naturally evolve out of thinking money and success is happiness. I'm not saying enlightenment automatically propels you to turquoise but nevertheless it would elevate his consciousness significantly.

@zeroISinfinity Yes you felt your chakras opening up and you felt Being. Its a wonderful feeling even when it doesn't turn into a mystical experience. But your ego doesn't want to go there again because you already awoke. It doesn't want to die again. So its much more difficult to Become the Absolute again because this time your Ego isn't being blindsided.

@abrakamowse i think that was a different one but yeah..we were coming from a place of Love but he wasn't open minded to anything and that's fine this stuff is delicate and cant be pushed on anyone. As you probably know It can't be communicated only pointed to.

@abrakamowse It was more of us trying to help this guy Lister find Truth, he was trying to push his religion on us, so it wasn't really non-duality vs non-duality. There is only one Absolute Truth, so in Truth there is no such thing as Non-Duality War.

@David Hammond ok but if it takes 49 minutes i'm fucking you up "homie" all in good fun

@David Hammond yes i want to see what reality is...please please!

@David Hammond "If I tell you you will make it into a belief" OMG man you are too funny. So how much is this product? Or did you say it's donations?

@David Hammond LOL, I'll give you this, you are a good salesman But a little light on the substance of what Enlightenment is...maybe that's what you read in a book somewhere

@David Hammond So what actually happened when you did it? Not " i just became Permanently awoke" - i mean can you provide some details as to what happened?

@David Hammond Cuz that's how you can tell you are a farce. You wouldn't be pushing this on people if you were actually enlightened. Do you want to answer the question about what your definition of permanent awakening is, and what you became directly conscious of?

@David Hammond No thanks, I'm already enlightened. If you are honestly coming form a good place in trying to help people that's good. People are not always what they appear, but you appear to be unauthentic. So please describe to us, if you don't mind, what your definition of permanent enlightenment is and what happened to you specifically? I'll be happy to share mine.

@David Hammond They would be conscious of humility. You didn't see Jesus or Gandhi going around bragging or boasting did you?

@David Hammond Well at least you knew the difference there. So what's your definition of Permanent Awakening then? If you have a good answer you might convince me you are not a Devil.