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@Anna1 if power is Brahman then when power dissolves there is only Brahman that is the same as saying Brahman was disguising itself as power. The two statements are identical.

I grasp it. But That power IS Brahman. It all comes from One source. That cannot be escaped without saying the power is not Brahman but a separate entity. So in the the end what is being taught is the same just in a different way. And that's how it MUST be in realm of the relative.

@Preetom we are talking about the same thing then. Truth. Anna and i have had this discussion before. We should not try to make it something separate from what is being taught here. It is One. Brhaman/awareness is God because it creates God. There aren't two separate things unless you make it so.

@Anna1 According to the teaching - is God/Isvara created by Brahman as well? or was God always separate? If Brahman created God and God created the world then these are dualities that sprung from Brahman or non-duality (pure awareness) They can be seen as separate or they can be seen as the same as the underlying substance is the same - all is One. Beyond all teachings One can see the world as still Awareness and Awareness still the world. That is what you become conscious of as an Absolute on Awakening. There is no teaching for this. It is just Absolute Truth. That is Oneness - Infinity. I did not learn this from anyone i became it and learned it from my myself.

@Aakash And you are right if you do teach it. Duality city. We should go as far as we can go with language but we need to be conscious of it's limitations. RIght now we are in duality otherwise there would just be isness. There would not be an Aakash or a Preetum.

This is why we say Truth cannot be taught. You have to become it - or more precisely, you have to discover that you are IT by BEING it. No teaching in the world can do that for you. No spiritual teacher or teaching in the world can do it - because you are imagining all of that as God.

@Preetom I was quoting Anna and using her analogy. She is an expert in that teaching.

Dang the spiritual warrior comes out of retirement and you guys run? what fun is that? Just kidding. I was simply just trying to show you guys what IS - there isn't a particular teaching - that is all imagined. There is only Truth.

@Mikael89 No, the illusion of garbage, which is still Brahman, dissipates. Leaving Brahman. Brahman can't escape itself. Strange Loop. Paradox. Ring a bell? Newsflash - you are Brahman - you are the whole chabang!

@Preetom You can make distinctions, that is duality. But they are within non-duality. They are not separate from non-duality. So from a non-dual perspective - or the Absolute perspective which is revealed to you when you become the Absolute - The world/form is Brahman/formlessness AND formlessness/Brahman is the world/form. It must come full circle. It's all one thing. We just create the illusion that they are different so that they can be different.

For those who need clarification: Brahman - formlessness world = form

@Mikael89 No, i just posted her quote saying the world is Brahman but Brahman is not the world. The formless is still the form. To say the form is the formless but the formless is not the form is only 1/2 complete. You have to see Oneness to grasp this. You must awaken to yourself.

@Mikael89 It's not accurate to say that Brahman is not the world, and that's all there is. it can be seen as One. it IS ONE when you become it. So any disctinctions made are relative. The Absolute will reveal all is One. If Anna1 agrees with this then we are all arguing about the same thing really! And I consider her on expert on this teaching from knowing her posts.

OK i realized i had it backwards. But even so, Brahman is still is the world too...the world is consciousness in the form of form. It's all One thing.

@Mikael89 Your life and the entiire universe is not separate from consciousness unless you view as separate. It's all consciousness. When you dissolve the form of consciousness you only have the formlessness. All is contained in ONE. The form is split but one simulatenously. You have to awaken to understand this.

@Mikael89 yes, but i'm not aware i'm Brahman until I awaken. And that's not what Anna1 was saying. She is saying the world was created by Brahman and so Brahman is the world but the world isn't Brahman. Yes that's true in one sense, but it is also still Brahman simultaneously. It is the world on TOP of Brahman. Form is on top of formlessness, co-opting formlessness. When it collapses it is only formlessness or Brahman. The Vendantic perspective doesn't acknowledge this - seemingly - And you can become direclty conscious of this AS GOd as an Absolute. There is no "leo's teachings" or Vedantic Teachings" it Just IS.

@Nahm you experience it as God when you Awaken. There is no inllytened1 that is experiencing it because inlytened1 is the wave not the ocean. You must BECOME the ocean or Brahman to become directly aware of it.

Guys let's back up a bit. You can become conscious that the wave is both not the ocean and the ocean simultaneously. That is Oneness. Oneness divides itself so that distinctions may be made. And you can view the wave as separate from the ocean. But simultaneously it is still the ocean. Oneness is an Absolute that you can become directly conscious of when awakening What is being missed here is that the wave or the world created by brahman - when it negates itself it collapses back into itself - collapses back into Brahman. Therefore it always was Brahman even as it was being only world (or the wave if you use the wave/ocean analogy which is a good one) The Vendantic perspective seems to not close the Oneness gap in some weird way because when Brahman creates the world it then splits it off as something separate that now is no longer Brahman. Again becoming the Absolute will reveal that all is One so the the world, while separate is still Brahman and upon collapse will extract itself from Brahman leaving only Brahman. It is splitting hairs but its an important realization to make. Because Oneness is always Oneness even while it is dividing itself.

Two steps forward one step back. You don't need to destroy your ego you just need a good solid mystical experience of becoming God. Then consciousness expands and you discover you are God and there is no where for you to go. You are this whole thing. Your body and ego are no more you than your TV stand.

@abrakamowse that is awesome to hear.

@Dylan Page its not handwaving at all..your just not conscious of this yet. Without duality there would be just isness or pure potential. You wouldn't exist right now! You exist because you as form contrast against everything else. Thats what makes you something. It sounds like you want there to just be Being itself..but without that there wouldn't be a world or a Dylan Page at all!

@Dylan Page something needs something to contrast itself against in order to be something. That is duality. Non-duality is just isness. Yes suffering only exists because there is non-suffering. Really think about it and you'll get it.

@Dylan Page hell doesn't exist unless there is a heaven and vice versa. See how this works?

@Dylan Page in order to discover that it's heaven.