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@Leo Gura wow that really spells it out. he takes credit for an improved economy that has nothing to do with him honestly. His whole term has been nothing but a bad tweet.

I would like to clear the air here. I'm not sure what i said or did to offend you - but if i came off condescending that was not my intention. As i was telling @Dragallur - if i was you and i was locked in the materialist paradigm - which is not an insult by the way - i would be extremely skeptical of anything i say regarding mysticsm and the Absolute. In fact i applaud you for not taking anything on as a belief. Truth can only be known by being it directly. Because you can't know something that's prior to knowing - or prior to measurement. So don't take my word for it but at the same time it would not be open minded to dimiss it as delusion. It's Ok to think that - but let yourself be open to the possibility - which ironically is your name. You are obviously extremely intelligent - in fact one of the brightest i have seen on here with the depth, well versed paragraphs, and time you take with your posts. That said - from my perspective i deem you are also very threatened by the Idealist paradigm or worldview that reality is consciousness and not comprised of matter. I think that's why you saw this post and immediately desired to attack me. That's OK. You are right that i was pointing out what Quantum mechanics ultimately reveals - that reality isn't a clockwork universe made of dumb atoms. It's much more nuanced than that. So yeah - i totally understand - and i would be the exact same way if I was you and I would be saying the exact same things. So ultimately i hope we can get along here together but if not so be it - this stuff is paradigm shattering and thus is very threatening. But at the same time i hope you continue to stay open minded and if i came off to you as arrogant or egotistical that is not my intention.

@Mikael89 because they didn't desire it bad enough. I'm discussing those that are even conscious of enlightenment in concept. Which you are. Of course as we converse we do so in the relative realm. So get to work

Oneness = Love Love = Oneness

@Mikael89 all form is relative and finite. But the Absolute Truth is Absolute Love for all of God's creations. I know this doesn't help you since you do not yet know the realm of the Absolute. But you will if you so desire.

@ajasatya exactly. This is liberation from the paradox. Love.

@Shadowraix paradox city. You are really good at spotting the paradox of which reality is.

@Moreira nice - i like that. Hardcore and go straight for it. Thats what I'm talking about. He needs to want it bad enough though to slave for the 5-10 years - heart is what it comes down to.

Total Oneness is Total Love. Question answered.

Both. I get that but why would you wanna look for the short cut and deprive you (little you) the wonder of discovering it the way Eckhart Tolle would want you to. Utilize all the methods Leo lays out. I'm sure there are some you haven't tried yet.

You have such a negative attitude...maybe that's a trap for you in this work.

I agree with the quote but its false that you are unenlightened after death. Collapse into formlessness is enlightenment. If you become enlightened while physically alive in your finite form, that's still collapsing into formlessnes but then coming back to your ego. Thats half the circle. Completing the circle is realizing that form is enlightenment and both are One - God - You. But that's only possible after you make the half way point in the circle. Its being locked in non-duality, then unlocking into duality, then realizing there is no difference.

@Dragallur good morning. Im a bit fresher today..just didn't want any distractions but i would enjoy discussing more with you. At the same time as long as Becks is OK with it. We don't wanna hijack his thread to get into the weeds of Quantum physics i don't think that's what the thread was about. Its more complex than that. At the smallest level a particle exists as both a wave and a particle. (Wave/particle duality) Physicists need to use mathematical wave functions to represent them. These wave functions basically exist as a superposition of several eigenstates - but when observed by an observer they collapse into a single eigenstate. So the wave function is expressed using Hilbert space, founded by David Hilbert. Hilbert space leverages the notion of Euclidean space which extends the finite two and three dimensional spaces of calculus and vector algebra to an infinite number of dimensions. So yes it is not an infinite amount of possible eigenstates but the underlying math can be finite or infinite dimensionally depending on particular experiement. But remember too that with the collapse of the wave function into a particular eigenstate you can get complete certainty with momentum but not position, and vice versa. You can't get both. By the way are you a physicist?

It depends. If death is instantaneous - there is no suffering. You will instantaneously be God consciousness, or the Godhead. This is pure bliss and love. If your finite form does not cease immediately there will be suffering until it does..which again afterwards results in the Godhead - pure bliss and love. So there is no reason to fear. Any suffering you could endure is finite as ultimately you are Infinite consciousness. But we are getting off topic as the discussion was if it should he encouraged.

@The Don Everyone has different levels of retaining information. Some people can pull up things they learned about one time 10 years ago and discuss is it as if it were yesterday. Others may not have this gift and need to go revisit what they have learned every so often to keep it fresh. Consciousness as a whole increases and expands, allowing you to grasp more and more things that once were just over your head. If anyone has tips on memory techniques that can improve retention and the ability to recall memories on a dime i would be all ears too.

Difference between non-sentient Beings that are programmed to be sentient, and sentient Beings -- LOVE

@Leo Gura agreed. All he was doing was stroking his own ego while demonizing and demoralizing his opponents which only fueled the mindless masses to rally behind him even more. It's sad to watch.

@Schahin as a human you are in a limited form. You're a smaller mind within the larger Mind. You are a particular finite form - so as this finite form, for you everything is relative. Free will is relative. For example if you believe you can go out into the world and make a difference in it you can. If you believe everything is hopeless and you have no control over anything than that's gonna be reality relative to you. Yes your will is still limited - Obviously you can't will the coffee table into a cat because that is the larger, Infinite Mind and you are a mind within that.

@Dragallur PM to discuss further.

Unlimited. Meaning it could collapse into any possibility.

Well in a sense look at it this way...it is probabilities. With the dice there is a finite probability 1 in 6. But with the Quantum experiments it is infinite probability. Thus there is this field of infinite probability - in reality it's not even a field - its formless or pure potential.

@Pouya exactly.

Good point. If i did not awaken perhaps i would. You are right in that you should not take other's words for Truth.

@Dragallur that's where i bring you back to spirituality...some of these founding fathers may have gone on to become mystics ..if you meditate and do the practices you can actually discover directly that reality is fundamentally mystical. All logic is contained within. But again, don't believe me - don't take it as dogma or belief - rather if you can be open minded, do the practices and see what you discover for yourself. It might surprise you. Either way it's fine - i am not preaching or pushing anything on you. I'm merely putting it out there.

@Dragallur Rolling dice isn't a good analogy because we are talking about pinpointing the position and velocity of matter here...and they can't. But the ramifications mean that classical physics and materialism are out the window. The clock work universe is out the window because matter is not in certain positions. It basically debunks materialism.