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@CreamCat even one who owns their own business can't escape it. He must abide by the laws of the Government. He has a vote but he cannot control what his President is going to do next.

@Pouya yes everything is relative in duality. Duality is relativitism. And non-duality is Absolutism. But remember that relativism/duality is within non-duality/Absolutism so you are actually both the Absolute and the relative right now. You are both Infinite and finite simultaneously!

@Anton_Pierre it's even nicer when you Awaken and discover you were imagining them the whole time and you are the whole shebang. That one will blow you away.

@Pacific Sage at the end of the day you really need to meditate, do consciousness work, and look inwards not outwards to a bearded guy in the sky. You are God!

@tedens Love will awaken you.

@Mikael89 without even listening to this and i will. That's exactly right. That is the strange loop when you try to be the Absolute from the relative. You see that it is somehow both. The paradox. But from the Absolute it just is itself

@Anna1 indeed Oneness or Absolute Inifnity is never contradicted here. It is never stated here that Maya or Ishvara which wields Maya is not Brahman. Brahman manifests Maya. There is only One. Absolute Infinity. Once Brahman splits into duality one can view Ishvara as a separate entity because that is what relativity is. But Absolute awareness is itself and has no where to go. It is all things. Theories as to why it becomes form or why Maya creates God which creates the universe are immaterial to this discussion because it is all One.

@Anna1 if power is Brahman then when power dissolves there is only Brahman that is the same as saying Brahman was disguising itself as power. The two statements are identical.

I grasp it. But That power IS Brahman. It all comes from One source. That cannot be escaped without saying the power is not Brahman but a separate entity. So in the the end what is being taught is the same just in a different way. And that's how it MUST be in realm of the relative.

@Preetom we are talking about the same thing then. Truth. Anna and i have had this discussion before. We should not try to make it something separate from what is being taught here. It is One. Brhaman/awareness is God because it creates God. There aren't two separate things unless you make it so.

@Anna1 According to the teaching - is God/Isvara created by Brahman as well? or was God always separate? If Brahman created God and God created the world then these are dualities that sprung from Brahman or non-duality (pure awareness) They can be seen as separate or they can be seen as the same as the underlying substance is the same - all is One. Beyond all teachings One can see the world as still Awareness and Awareness still the world. That is what you become conscious of as an Absolute on Awakening. There is no teaching for this. It is just Absolute Truth. That is Oneness - Infinity. I did not learn this from anyone i became it and learned it from my myself.

@Aakash And you are right if you do teach it. Duality city. We should go as far as we can go with language but we need to be conscious of it's limitations. RIght now we are in duality otherwise there would just be isness. There would not be an Aakash or a Preetum.

This is why we say Truth cannot be taught. You have to become it - or more precisely, you have to discover that you are IT by BEING it. No teaching in the world can do that for you. No spiritual teacher or teaching in the world can do it - because you are imagining all of that as God.

@Preetom I was quoting Anna and using her analogy. She is an expert in that teaching.

Dang the spiritual warrior comes out of retirement and you guys run? what fun is that? Just kidding. I was simply just trying to show you guys what IS - there isn't a particular teaching - that is all imagined. There is only Truth.

@Mikael89 No, the illusion of garbage, which is still Brahman, dissipates. Leaving Brahman. Brahman can't escape itself. Strange Loop. Paradox. Ring a bell? Newsflash - you are Brahman - you are the whole chabang!

@Preetom You can make distinctions, that is duality. But they are within non-duality. They are not separate from non-duality. So from a non-dual perspective - or the Absolute perspective which is revealed to you when you become the Absolute - The world/form is Brahman/formlessness AND formlessness/Brahman is the world/form. It must come full circle. It's all one thing. We just create the illusion that they are different so that they can be different.

For those who need clarification: Brahman - formlessness world = form

@Mikael89 No, i just posted her quote saying the world is Brahman but Brahman is not the world. The formless is still the form. To say the form is the formless but the formless is not the form is only 1/2 complete. You have to see Oneness to grasp this. You must awaken to yourself.

@Mikael89 It's not accurate to say that Brahman is not the world, and that's all there is. it can be seen as One. it IS ONE when you become it. So any disctinctions made are relative. The Absolute will reveal all is One. If Anna1 agrees with this then we are all arguing about the same thing really! And I consider her on expert on this teaching from knowing her posts.

OK i realized i had it backwards. But even so, Brahman is still is the world too...the world is consciousness in the form of form. It's all One thing.

@Mikael89 Your life and the entiire universe is not separate from consciousness unless you view as separate. It's all consciousness. When you dissolve the form of consciousness you only have the formlessness. All is contained in ONE. The form is split but one simulatenously. You have to awaken to understand this.

@Mikael89 yes, but i'm not aware i'm Brahman until I awaken. And that's not what Anna1 was saying. She is saying the world was created by Brahman and so Brahman is the world but the world isn't Brahman. Yes that's true in one sense, but it is also still Brahman simultaneously. It is the world on TOP of Brahman. Form is on top of formlessness, co-opting formlessness. When it collapses it is only formlessness or Brahman. The Vendantic perspective doesn't acknowledge this - seemingly - And you can become direclty conscious of this AS GOd as an Absolute. There is no "leo's teachings" or Vedantic Teachings" it Just IS.

@Nahm you experience it as God when you Awaken. There is no inllytened1 that is experiencing it because inlytened1 is the wave not the ocean. You must BECOME the ocean or Brahman to become directly aware of it.