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Yeah I'm sure. Becoming God ain't no joke. Throws your system off....your ego dies and comes back. But it just shows this is all illusory and imagination.

Reality/imagination can be altered but it takes God consciousness levels - For example on all of my awakenings i lost 8-10 pounds instantly. That defies everything. What he is doing right now is shifting awareness to God awareness. God mode. It takes a lot of awakenings to do that. That is being fully conscious of Oneness. That's different from being in a state of pure Being where ego is dead. That's a layer up in imagination.

@Shakazulu my fiancee may have something to say about that!

Well remember Infinity or God is both the form and the formless. They are indistinguishable when viewed from the highest view. A mystical experience is an experience of pure Being - the formless in which something incredible happens - once in a lifetime for many. There is this dissolving sensation that becomes total and then all of a sudden the ego completely dissolves and you are in a non-dual state. What's interesting is that here you are no longer the relative - you are the Absolute so there are still Absolutes that you become conscious of that seem to appear as form but aren't. It's really hard to explain with words. But its very divine and beautiful - and everything slows down.

@abrakamowse can i borrow that coin? Lol

@abrakamowse exactly. It cannot be escaped due to the paradoxical nature of reality and the limitations of language.

@DecemberFlower indeed..doubt it is very sneaky.

@DecemberFlower it's a form of self deception and a cause of suffering. Your own mind is a self deception machine so identifying your own deceptions are required in order for them to stop being deceptions.

@DecemberFlower In order for one to stop doubting one must first know they are doubting.

@DecemberFlower to go Meta - to identify doubt and become self aware that you are doubting.

@Truth Addict As you stand on the shoulders of Giants know that you created them.

@Shaun its a paradox - infinity is - it will break your mind because it's finite.

@Mikael89 if that's the case that's "his" stance not mine. I don't believe life has no meaning. And i am not saying its Solipsism of the small self either. You are finite so you are being other perspectives right now and do not have access (it's concept to you only because all you have is your own direct experience so they are not real to you unless you imagine them) but the paradox is that those other perspectives are still happening without the small you but are still the Big you. The fact that other perspectives are only in your imagination as your limited self is a sliver of what it feels like from God's perspective. Its a layer of imagination within a higher layer. And It's a clue that it's One.

@inFlow did you have a mystical experience or are you just taking this as a belief? Be careful about the latter because you need to do the practices and if you just believe it that's all it will ever be for you.

Once you awaken to yourself you see the Oneness in what is being discussed here. It is all One thing that is being discussed here. It is all you. Before i digress into duality let me preface by saying you are One. You are alone and you are God. With the Absolute out of the way we can discuss form or duality all we want. All of which being discussed here is duality or form - and how imagination can be manipulated - and it can - however difficult from the finite - it can via mysticism - or the occult as @Matt8800 discusses. To @kieranperez s point the Absolute miracle is discovering you ARE the Absolute by dissolution of the illusion leaving bare the Absolute. Being. To know that isness it itself. That you ARE yourself and you are infinite. There is no where to go because you are groundless and you are God. That is the highest miracle.

The highest realization is that you are alone as God. You are Jed. You are the other 50. It's just you. You are the only one who can discover yourself. Other perspectives - while concept to you - are still you though you can only conceive them as concepts as your limited small self. Even beyond that they are you. That should be prefaced by you as God before diving into duality and discussing your divisions. "So any teacher who doesn't clarify this first does not know they are God." That's said in quotes because its dualistic.

The Absolute is Absolute. But you won't understand this until you do.

Self inquiry meditation.

You can discover that you imagined science up. You imagined all of it.

Very nice!!

@ajasatya well said. @Identity Science is a part of the whole - so it will never be able to capture the whole. You are the only authority on the whole because you ARE the whole. @Wasem "And it is fluid, it is changing. Think of the science of 500 years ago" - exactly. That's why it requires a consensus.

@Nahm isness my brotha...words turn in on themselves here..isness is itself.

@Nahm who is saying the paradox is my illusion? Do you see how the loop is inescapable? You are yourself.

@mandyjw

@Nahm that's because reality/you are a strange loop - a paradox. That doesn't mean you can't awaken to yourself. You guys are both enlightened masters arguing about the same thing. This type of thing is getting old at least to me. We have seen a huge growth in consciousness on this forum as everyone's levels are much more advanced. To the point where we are arguing about the same thing - Oneness - in different ways.