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@Mu_ @Someone here cigar time as we ponder reality

That Is a label you are placing on reality. Reality is Infinity. When you are already Infinite that includes knowing experientally what it is like to be finite.

@gswva well said. God's got nothing better to do What is better than discovering Love = Pure Selflessness? For some forms of God it takes learning the hard way. But God is OK with that

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You are full blown God now aye, but you have limited yourself and put yourself into this dream. Your form, while made of nothing (formless) is yet still finite. Suffering is the inability to maintain this form eternally. Acceptance and liberation is the realization that form is an illusion, as is death.

Yes of course pure formlessness has no suffering - or pure selflessness. Suffering is the withering away or deterioration of a finite form or self. That's why suffering = spiritual growth . And it doesn't have to be physical of course. It can be anything that changes your original form/identity.

@danton there are many forms of suffering - you don't need to hate yourself. You can suffer deeply from guilt, regret, etc. That is punishing yourself but not hating yourself. You can suffer deep from the loss of a relationship with someone you took for granted and then realized you truly loved them afterwards. The love is so deep that it kills ya.

Indeed but other minds are still an illusion.

It sounds great but rhe problem is you can't split oneness you can only create the illusion that you split oneness.

I'm gonna make this real simple for ya. You are God! Don't expect when you actually realize you are God directly that you are going to have the magic ability to start drifting into other ego's thoughts because the ego is an illusion in its entirety. Its only as the ego that you will return to finite form and have this pressing question. Because the ego wants desperately to believe that it is not alone.

Precisely.

And i'm telling you there is no "waking state". This is a dream. You only believe this is the waking state because you are measuring it against your night time dreams, providing the illusion of some sort of ground. But this takes consciousness work to discover - rationalizing will not work.

@Halm when you awaken from a dream do you wonder why you cannot get into the minds of the people in your dream? No because they were all imaginary and all in your mind. Well, You can similarly "awaken" from this dream. It will be the death of the ego though - and it will come with some radical realizations. That's the cost.

@SQAAD God's Love will leave you in the corner sucking your thumb and whimpering like a little baby. The ego cannot handle Infinite Love but crawls into the corner in awe.

@Nak Khid think of it this way...in the realm of the relative we only have access to what is relative. Yet it may be possible that certain things within the relative, ie. meditation and/or psychedelics, have the ability to open a portal to the Absolute. It makes no rational sense. In quantum mechanics there is something called quantum tunneling where photons are able to somehow move through impossible barriers to reach their destinations, defying logic and classical mechanics.

It is definitely an Absolute. Maybe he has not had an awakening in which he literally dissolved into Infinity/Love and drowned in it. Tears would be flowing and the body spasming as it is just far far to powerful for a human body to contain. Maybe that didn't happen to him yet or maybe he just calls it Infinity.

Agreed This is the power of psychedelics right here - they will expand your consciousness and allow you to tap into Infinite Intelligence as well. Years ago i felt this with simple SSRIs for OCD. Now imagine what psychedelics could do! Your mind will expand and new doors will open that were never there before. And in that way they could be a miracle for a person struggling with "mental illness".

Love = Infinity = God = Being These are all just pointers to IT. IT is YOU. After you have had profound awakenings you will become so opened up that you do indeed become a superconductor for IT. It will flow through you. You may find yourself bursting into tears about something you in the past would never have because you were so closed off before. But now you feel things on a much deeper level. You feel the entire universe now and not just the self in which case for survival the self closes itself up.

Because most awakened folks didn't need it as they were spiritually gifted. It doesn't mean they can't help.

@loub i agree with him - but at the same time i remain open minded about the topic. Leo is one enlightened mofo - so i respect that. My enlighenment came at 48 years of age after decades of suffering. (There were good times too don't get me wrong - but i suffered greatly from selfishness) through that - through living - i didn't realize it but i was ever so slowly gaining in consciousness. And so then when meditating - while this was all just a curiosity - it happened. But that said we could also be the few spiritually gifted individuals. For others perhaps the theoretical foundation followed by psychedelics could potentially really have a profound affect. For someone who is awake he is closing his mind. A mind should never fully close. My intuition on the topic tells me that 5-Meo will straight up show you God but whether you are in a place in your life where you will actually become God or become directly conscious of God is another matter. In other words it could be right in front of your face but if you are not ready to see it you will not see it. That is what he means by you generate it.

Through flexibility and open mindedness. Be opened minded to the fact that what you thought was real your whole life may have just been a dream. Even you. Then new doors can open.

@CultivateLove biggest mindfuck of all.

No because when they say it they are only imagining their family so there are no others. Others are imaginary and only exist in the moment they are imagined - including your family. So all are just expressions of yourself or oneness.

The desire to attain anything is rooted in survival. It is a selfish egoic pleasure.

@Rilles damm right its real - what could be more real than actuality. All else is imaginary. And you started to merge into actuality to become Pure Being. But the ego freaked out as this would have been its undoing. And the undoing of the illusion