Inliytened1

Indeed

I would beg you pause before proclaiming mental masturbation. For it was my becoming directly conscious that Consciousness was fundamental that led to enlightenment.

I know. I'm saying contemplate how something can be if no one is conscious of it. Doesnt that change what it is? It is no longer your perception of it. It is itself!

Are you a materialist?

All others are imaginary. You are the Godhead.

Thats just it. There is ONLY awareness or pure Being / consciousness and direct consciousness of this is enlightenment or awakening. After awakening you can come back and play all the games you want. There is only Being. There is only infinite Love.

No it's not. The key is understanding can a thing exist outside of Consciousness. Its not about a sound. We can also ask - does a tree fall with no one around? Are you saying to yourself - oh it just happens and it's beyond our understanding? Well that's just a concept. Really think about what something would be without anyone conscious of it. Would it be conscious of itself in order for it to be? But to your earlier statement your right. You are literally imagining the tree and that it can fall without you. Materialism debunked!!

your right - this is what spiritually gifted means. Either you grasp it or you don't. You believe in past lives. Perhaps it takes many lives to grasp.

It's not. It's actually the key that unlocks enlightenment.

Exactly! I can play around though

It's exactly how it sounds my friend. Everything is imaginary. It is all in your mind. You are reality itself and reality itself is a Giant Mind or Infinite Mind. It can be discovered directly though apparently very few break through to this.

@GabeN very nice

The subjective/objective is in the context of whether or not there is a physical world out there. If there were, reality (in terms of the realm of form) would be objective. But this is not the case and can be discovered via awakening. It can be discovered that the realm of form is an absolute relativity or an absolute subjectivity. The only thing objective about it is it is 100 percent subjective.

Agreed not so sure...

Yes indeed i am going to take another look as well if i get the time. I still respect the guy as one of the greatest philosophers ever. But in the end i don't think he made the jump out of materialism. He still felt reality was not a dream but rather was an objective, physical reality and not consciousness. Did you study him?

I can only go by my own path. I started out as an unconscious, selfish fuck. As far from Truth as humanly possible hehe. Through the decades this caused me massive suffering. But i did grow from it and became more conscious. I had started becoming more honest with others and most importantly with myself and less selfish. More loving. Started opening up and crying for the first time in decades. And then if you remember you and i both found spiritiality/mysticism around the same time. And then it happened. It never would have happened if i was still the old me. Maybe for others it's different.

You would then be deceased or close to it. You certainly wouldn't be here. The mindfuck is that death is an illusion anyway and you would just melt into Infinite Love anyway. You can't escape yourself. Infinity has no where to go.

Indeed. A better way to say it is Descartes did not become directly conscious of Truth. But then again, the highest Truth is that he is in your imagination. As was the Buddha.

@Nak Khid @Mert is not wrong about Descartes. "I think therefore i am" stated by Descartes implied he could trust his own mind. He was wrong. The ego is an illusion and will try to deceive you every step of the way. He thought there was an evil demon out there. The evil demon is your own mind. He was wrong about that. He was also wrong about reality.

Because right now you are not conscious you are God. When God aligns itself fully with Truth it wakes up to itself. Waking up is the ultimate gift to itself. Inner growth raises one's consciousness. Higher consciousness leads to wisdom. Wisdom leads to Truth.

Think of it like this. Consciousness isn't happening within the brain. "The brain" exists within consciousness. It's imaginary. This shatters the materialist paradigm.

@capriciousduck yes i love them. Have watched and or listened to dozens. I highly recommend.

Heck yeah! I was a materialist for 30 years. Because i never questioned my culture. Don't ever stop being open minded.

You're still stuck in the materialist paradigm. There is nothing wrong with that! You just have to do the practices. You say you are doing them though and i believe you. Therefore maybe it's not time for you to break out of the dream. So go live. When it happens it happens. I will say this - you are on this forum and you are touching the outskirts of awakening - and awakening is a miracle. Therefore you are so close. But for me you are a projection of my mind. How can i awaken someone that is me? So it has to happen for you when you are ready!

Absolute Love is only realized after awakening. The love for your family is finite love - it's partial and bias. Just like the ego is finite and needs to survive. Finite love is based on bias. It doesn't mean it is not a subset of Absolute love or that it should be rejected. Without it you would be dead. But God realization / spiritual awakening is about pure selflessness. You have to become conscious that the self is an illusion and that you are the Absolute. Then you will become conscious of Infinite Love. Infinite Love is a different beast. It is pure Infinity.