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There are similarities but depersonalization is a loss of a sense of self. Enlightenment is becoming directly conscious that you are not a self (ego death) but that instead you are (via being) the Self/Infinity/God/Love/Consciousness. The similarity comes in because awakening can have that feeling of no sense of self too, which can lead to nasty ego backlash on the return - but during awakening it is accompanied by immense bliss, unlike raw depersonalization.

@Arthur very nice report!

imagination is second order. Love with a capital L is first order. The container. It is identical to Being/Actuality/Infinity. Imagination is duality as it is comprised of distinctions or differences. Love is non-duality or the container of duality. Imagination spawns from Love - or form spawns from formlessness. And yet the second order is made of the first order - making it indistinguishable once you are conscious of both.

Maybe look in the mirror?

Figure of speech. I did too. Nasty habit And yeah typically when the ego seeks pleasure it leads to suffering haha.

I see where you are going. Imagining away the pain of getting your arm sliced off is equivalent to Imagining away the wall in front of you. It would take insane levels of consciousness. Infinite levels. It can be done - but not with ordinary human levels of consciousness. There is no one on this forum that is at that level because honestly i don't think there are any humans on that level or they wouldn't be human.

Heres the thing about suffering. All is consciousness - so thus suffering is a an idea. As are you and me. But transcending such an idea when you yourself as the ego are an idea is the finite trying to grasp the infinite. It can be done only by becoming infinite. You can kid yourself all you want - but it will hit you at some point no matter how "happy" you are. And you may be happy 99.99999 percent of the time - but that still leaves room. And the percentage will increase with age. Yes if you are conscious enough you can just not bring pain and suffering into your awareness and it won't exist. But then paradoxically suffering exists in it not existing. Because when it breaks to the surface of your finite mind - as in someone slicing your arm off - you will need to turn your awareness away.

@Mu_ @Someone here cigar time as we ponder reality

That Is a label you are placing on reality. Reality is Infinity. When you are already Infinite that includes knowing experientally what it is like to be finite.

@gswva well said. God's got nothing better to do What is better than discovering Love = Pure Selflessness? For some forms of God it takes learning the hard way. But God is OK with that

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You are full blown God now aye, but you have limited yourself and put yourself into this dream. Your form, while made of nothing (formless) is yet still finite. Suffering is the inability to maintain this form eternally. Acceptance and liberation is the realization that form is an illusion, as is death.

Yes of course pure formlessness has no suffering - or pure selflessness. Suffering is the withering away or deterioration of a finite form or self. That's why suffering = spiritual growth . And it doesn't have to be physical of course. It can be anything that changes your original form/identity.

@danton there are many forms of suffering - you don't need to hate yourself. You can suffer deeply from guilt, regret, etc. That is punishing yourself but not hating yourself. You can suffer deep from the loss of a relationship with someone you took for granted and then realized you truly loved them afterwards. The love is so deep that it kills ya.

Indeed but other minds are still an illusion.

It sounds great but rhe problem is you can't split oneness you can only create the illusion that you split oneness.

I'm gonna make this real simple for ya. You are God! Don't expect when you actually realize you are God directly that you are going to have the magic ability to start drifting into other ego's thoughts because the ego is an illusion in its entirety. Its only as the ego that you will return to finite form and have this pressing question. Because the ego wants desperately to believe that it is not alone.

Precisely.

And i'm telling you there is no "waking state". This is a dream. You only believe this is the waking state because you are measuring it against your night time dreams, providing the illusion of some sort of ground. But this takes consciousness work to discover - rationalizing will not work.

@Halm when you awaken from a dream do you wonder why you cannot get into the minds of the people in your dream? No because they were all imaginary and all in your mind. Well, You can similarly "awaken" from this dream. It will be the death of the ego though - and it will come with some radical realizations. That's the cost.

@SQAAD God's Love will leave you in the corner sucking your thumb and whimpering like a little baby. The ego cannot handle Infinite Love but crawls into the corner in awe.

@Nak Khid think of it this way...in the realm of the relative we only have access to what is relative. Yet it may be possible that certain things within the relative, ie. meditation and/or psychedelics, have the ability to open a portal to the Absolute. It makes no rational sense. In quantum mechanics there is something called quantum tunneling where photons are able to somehow move through impossible barriers to reach their destinations, defying logic and classical mechanics.

It is definitely an Absolute. Maybe he has not had an awakening in which he literally dissolved into Infinity/Love and drowned in it. Tears would be flowing and the body spasming as it is just far far to powerful for a human body to contain. Maybe that didn't happen to him yet or maybe he just calls it Infinity.

Agreed This is the power of psychedelics right here - they will expand your consciousness and allow you to tap into Infinite Intelligence as well. Years ago i felt this with simple SSRIs for OCD. Now imagine what psychedelics could do! Your mind will expand and new doors will open that were never there before. And in that way they could be a miracle for a person struggling with "mental illness".

Love = Infinity = God = Being These are all just pointers to IT. IT is YOU. After you have had profound awakenings you will become so opened up that you do indeed become a superconductor for IT. It will flow through you. You may find yourself bursting into tears about something you in the past would never have because you were so closed off before. But now you feel things on a much deeper level. You feel the entire universe now and not just the self in which case for survival the self closes itself up.