Inliytened1

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Yes when we say God we are speaking from the transrational stage not the prerational.

Smartypants. Just because we cant communicate this stuff and can only provide pointers - doesn't mean you are not the Universe - that you are not Infinity. That you are not God. That you are not Love. That you aint Being. That you aint Izzness. And you can become conscious of that directly - by dying! He doesn't understand that yet. Because he never died. Because he believes there ain't no one to die. And there ain't - (after you die!l ). He quotes stuff like "die before you die" and videos on states of samadhi but then says samadhi doesn't exist? Come on.... Look i dont wanna kick him when he is down but the reality is he doesn't grasp what Being is yet. Or Isness. Because he ain't never izzed. If you aren't here to learn..i mean... Spoke to him last night on the phone and he could barely talk -was pretty lay down drunk while posting which explained why he exploded on me.....he'll be back and if he is open to learn its all good. He can preach no self but when you start saying stuff that is blatantly false i mean eventually it just won't hold up here.

He is spreading misinformation and is close minded to anything other than his beliefs. He doesn't have his own POV because when pressed he will quote other teachers. Denouncing God or a higher state of consciousness other than his current because he has never been in any other state of consciousness - meaning mystical experiences or states - would be spreading disinformation to potential newcomers to spirituality. This aint his first rodeo. He has had plenty of leeway.

Yeah what happened to being open minded. Take the spanking i just gave ya. See ya in a few weeks.

Vegan - if you continue to state that God does not exist i will be forced to ban you for spreading misinformation.

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Wow man you seem to be becoming undone. We will leave it here.

I didn't say issues. I said Oneness. Who sees through the separate self? You will say nothing right? Well that nothing is God!

Correct. Subject/object must collapse. Where we differ is you think there is no collapse. But there is - relative to you. But not you as what you thought you were. There is a mystical shift in Consciousness. Thats how it was for me. We will run into strange loops here because of Oneness.

One can't say that until One has awoken.

What is apparent is what is. It doesn't just appear that way. It IS that way. That is what relativity is. Only after awakening can you make that statement. When it is real for you. All else is belief and concept.

Not sure where i ever stated reality wasn't perfect? How perfect it is doesn't mean someone is less asleep It just is what it is. Nothing better or worse about it. Where you are currently is perfect.

Thanks for the tidbit ? And you are already enlightened too We know the games you are playing. Trying to act like the Absolute And yeah i know you are already the Absolute :)? Only you are not at this moment! You are just a piece of it.

@Nak Khid christ you are gonna make me read all that. Couldn't you have stated it in your own words? Yeah Solipsism aint the whole truth. But what is but Truth itself?

@VeganAwake so you are basing your "argument" on what another spiritual teacher says?

Can you explain how that has anything to do with the philosophy of Solipsism?

Bingo!

and my claim is that God awakens to itself. Yes becoming conscious that there is no "I" "self" or entity behind the eyes is an awakening. It shatters the illusion of death. But I am saying that enlightenment is not just realizing the 'me" is an illusion. that is enlightenment - but to truly break out of the dream is to realize what you are, not just what you are not - that you are God dreaming up the entire universe. We are not just using the word dream by accident.

What i think everyone is trying to say to you is that what you have been saying is what will actually keep you from awakening from the dream. For example If you were in a dream but then you stated that there is nothing to awaken to - that what you need to awaken to is just a dream - well then you will never break out of the actual dream.

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Haha. Yeah but you can't label reality as a particular philosophy. All philosophy is held within reality.

@Mu_ i dig what you are saying. Yet it really comes down to this. You don't know what you don't know. The key is to hold the mind open. Vegan does.

If you directly became conscious that you were "alone" as God then come back and tell me how you did in duality. Duality is precisely duality for the very purpose of forgetting what you are. If you knew directly what you were you would cease to exist as you and you would be God. So coming back to duality requires integration. And there is a state in between as consciousness closes itself up.

I think i love you the most. You know EXACTLY when sarcasm is needed