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and my claim is that God awakens to itself. Yes becoming conscious that there is no "I" "self" or entity behind the eyes is an awakening. It shatters the illusion of death. But I am saying that enlightenment is not just realizing the 'me" is an illusion. that is enlightenment - but to truly break out of the dream is to realize what you are, not just what you are not - that you are God dreaming up the entire universe. We are not just using the word dream by accident.

What i think everyone is trying to say to you is that what you have been saying is what will actually keep you from awakening from the dream. For example If you were in a dream but then you stated that there is nothing to awaken to - that what you need to awaken to is just a dream - well then you will never break out of the actual dream.

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Haha. Yeah but you can't label reality as a particular philosophy. All philosophy is held within reality.

@Mu_ i dig what you are saying. Yet it really comes down to this. You don't know what you don't know. The key is to hold the mind open. Vegan does.

If you directly became conscious that you were "alone" as God then come back and tell me how you did in duality. Duality is precisely duality for the very purpose of forgetting what you are. If you knew directly what you were you would cease to exist as you and you would be God. So coming back to duality requires integration. And there is a state in between as consciousness closes itself up.

I think i love you the most. You know EXACTLY when sarcasm is needed

Really? I think its pretty deep stuff. But then again - this is a place to compare notes. If you have an open mind you might gain something - or not. Too much time should not be spent on the forum if you wanna actually become Truth. If you wanna babble about it - this is the place to be. The problem with an open forum like this is you have to be wise enough to separate the wheat from the chaff. When you listen to a spiritual teacher there is only one guy talking. And you can take it or leave it. Which of course you can here

It is only from the relative state that there are not. From your current state. If you think that's all that reality is then like i said to @VeganAwake that is what it is to you. Its a mindfuck. But it also indicates you are closing your mind.

We have been debating over duality being an illusion for months now. It is an illusion, but it exists. Just like nothingness exists. Still love you bro. Like i said you are where you are and that's how it should be. I'm not trying to push anything on you. I'm just stating what i have become directly conscious of. What you are currently conscious of is what reality is to you. And that's perfect.

I never said relative meaning was objective. But the Absolute is pure selflessness. Pure Love. Pure Goodness and pure Infinite intelligence. Wisdom is something we gain in finite form.

This isn't spiritual ego. I do not feel special or feel that i have some special power. If you are skeptical to what is being said here than that's exactly where you should be.

There is Infinite consciousness that can take any form or state. Well i guess maybe some psychedelics might be in order for you

@VeganAwake there are higher states of consciousness that you are currently not conscious of. If you were you would be dead.

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The reality is that that is the case - AS GOD . But right now you are not in God consciousness. God is you but you are not God. Most spiritual teachers either won't go there or they aren't fully woke. Thats what Leo has been saying too. Be careful of the teachers you follow.

The thing is time is an illusion. So infinity is not really linear - we are trying to explain this stuff with language which is limited. There is just this. Now. Thats it.

@Someone here that is correct in the fact that one can only take one perspective at a time.

I can only tell you what i became directly conscious of. I am not saying there are other minds with their own independent perspectives. I am not saying the philosophy of Solipism is completely wrong i am saying that it is incomplete. And this is shocking and disturbing for the ego. Not for God of course. As i stated one of the biggest awakenings i had was to become directly conscious that all other "minds" were actually being imagined by Me (as Infinity or God) Identical to that of a dream. I couldn't function for a few days with this realization. I could not function talking to other people because they were projections of my mind. It was a very expanded state of consciousness which was achieved through meditation - no psychedelics. Eventually consciousness closed back up again and i was able to function again. But for a short while there i was very worried. So this stuff is very real. Now the way i initially integrated this awakening was that wow this was God's perspective - (the Godhead) and i could shift between my finite POV and God's POV. It turns out it's not that easy to shift to after the ego has died because it doesn't want to go there again. But it was obviously possible. The question then remained why couldn't i then shift to a different finite mind? This really boggled my "brain" for a while because the way i was integrating this realization afterwards was that there were still other finite minds happening simultaneously. And this is how Rupert teaches. However he admits he is making a jump or assuming there are other minds happening simultaneously because it is not something one can verify. It could be absolutely realized if it was but i don't think he stated that he had an Absolute realization of this. Which means it is a concept. And during my awakening i did not take a "separate perspective" as God - because had that been the case i would have also seen my small self or the ego as a projection of my Mind it would have been as if from God's perspective i was also imagining myself, and all others, while also simultaneously being them and my small self. This was not the case. It was just that all others and everything else were simply projections of my mind. The separation between my finite self and infinite self was dissolved. Also if you look at quantum mechanics and how ultimately stuff exists as nothing or a possiblity/potential or wave function when not observed, it means nothing exists unless observed. And who is doing the observing right now? Only me. It doesn't make a lot of sense for God to have things collapsing into something all over the place. It's a lot of wasted effort. As in a video game it is subjective. The rest of the game exists as nothing or pure potential when not in the player's direct experience. Parallel universes that all meet? Doesn't that also seem like a lot of wasted effort by God? Why can't it be Absolutely subjective? Of course that ultimately means i am talking to myself. But again i go back to this: when i am in this state of consciousness i am not currently directly conscious that you are a projection of my mind. Like i said, if i were, i would go insane. So God creates this level of consciousness - a dual state. In which to forget itself.

@DreamScape I feel that the ego can actually reach a high degree of selflessness which comes with wisdom and the realization of Love. Of course - the one who realizes Love is not the ego, it is Pure Consciousness - the separate ego dissolves when in a complete non-dual state. However once you shift back into form and the ego is reborn - you as the ego can reach a high degree of selflessness. You/ego won't be able to be completely selfless - for that would be your undoing. Hence the word self. Yet the small self can be embraced and loved. God has unconditional love for all parts of itself. To love the ego is to love yourself. Just curious but what is Kahn's view on the ego? I have never listened and read any of his work. But a lot of people here like his teachings. My view on the ego is it is not merely a section of the finite mind - it is the entire idea of you as a small self. That is why pure ego death is God mode.

Exactly. @Winny rather then soak up a lot of stuff here, listen to all the videos and do the work. The videos will lay a theoretical framework but should not be taken as belief. Then - if you really wanna find the Ox - put in the work. Meditation, yoga, psychedelics etc. You have to do the work to discover this stuff for yourself. And like i said, this is mysticism and if you wanna become a mystic then well, be prepared for mindfucks. Stuff that will shatter your entire worldview.

No my claim is that you can become directly conscious of Infinity - that you ARE infinity - and that you purposely limited yourself in order to separate yourself from yourself - in order to explore yourself infinitely - ultimately to reunite wth yourself - for the purpose of being able to share your own Infinity (or Love) with yourself.

Awareness/True Self = one thing (same thing) I think you are thinking that when we say awareness that it is just emptiness sitting and observing or being aware separate from you. No - what we are saying is that reality itself is just a giant mind and you are IT! Total Oneness. Non-duality. But right now you are not conscious that you are the whole thing. You are currently identifying with a limited part of the whole - aka Winny (or better said, the idea of Winny as there is no physical reality so there is no entity Winny looking through your eyes. If that were the case you would have found the I during inquiry) So right now you are not identifying with the entire Mind. Take the hand analogy. You have the whole hand and then the fingers on the hand. Yet notice, depending on perspective, that the finger is also the hand. You can see it as a finger and then you can see it as the whole hand. And right now you are the finger. Just be wary - when you actually identify with the entire Mind, the idea of Winny will die. It will come back - but it won't be real happy about dying. Spirituality is some serious stuff so make sure you are ready if you wanna go down the path and find the Ox

Pure awareness or Consciousness is manifesting itself through you as form. It is a shapeshifter And as a limited form God tends to have limited desires it has to, to maintain that particular form.

Your limited mind is not all of reality. It is reality in a limited state. Good post btw breaking down those different paradigms (Monism). Idealism - the first one - comes the closest to accurately describing reality from my own direct experience. And it is a Mind precisely because it is unlimited. In an unlimited state all of reality is opened up to you - though perhaps not all at once. The nature of reality becomes clear or understood, for example. What you're true nature is - which is reality itself, etc.