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It is horrifying - but that is the cost of Absolute Truth.

Well said..It sounds like you are quite advanced... however here I think all that is being pointed out with this statement above is that the nature of reality is not physical, but rather physicality is couched within Mind. In my view it is not contradicting that the dream IS reality or denying that. Could it be possible that the use of the dream analogy is triggering you in some way?

I think you are misunderstanding these teachings. The teachings is that self and other is a duality that can collapse. Both self and other are imaginary.

Its very radical and twisted. Imagine this...imagine you were lucid in a dream and you were speaking with the other dream characters. First off, being lucid, you first need to "trick: yourself into buying into the dream to even continue speaking with others. Once you have done that and are now at a level of consciousness where there are others- you then go about telling them they are in a dream right now and they can awaken from the dream! Of course in the back of your mind you are conscious that you are just playing a game with yourself. So how do you think the dream characters are going to react to you telling them its a dream? Ironically you would be entertaining yourself when they react negatively because you as Consciousness are rendering the entire dream. Therefore even the other characters' reactions are projections of Mind. So there ya go Oh by the way..don't take any of this as a belief - it can be discovered directly

Unfortunately you won't have any memory of being Shin. But don't worry, you'll be so full of yourself you won't need Shin

You as God masterfully locked yourself into a particular form so that you can experience a particular finite form. You are so masterful that you cant even escape your own dream by just breaking out of it because the form remains. That was the failsafe you imposed on yourself as God . But after awakening you also realize there was never a need for the form to go, because form and Formless are One. It's all perfection and Love and there is no need to dream something else as this would be choosing one dream over another

We can! Your missing the best part. Whatever God imagines becomes real, because imagination IS reality. Think of how radical this really is. It's not just word games. As you are talking to me I become real! You are imagining it into Being

Nice..We don't hear enough of this here. Hey listen, I would love it if I'm wrong about awakening via meditation being rare.

No they don't contradict and you don't need to do both simultaneously because there aren't two things. Through meditation you can realize the Self - and you can reach states of consciousnes that are omniscient. I don't like creating a duality between "classical awakening" as being where meditation can't get you to the Godhead. It most certainly can. It's not limited to no mind/void and nothingness/no self realizations. Through no mind meditation you can actually go full circle into God Consciousness and omniscience. Shutting down the mind into Pure Actuality is the portal to Infinite Mind. Now.....all of that said - I agree with Leo that reaching these states through meditation is rare. Hardly anyone does it..I meditated for two weeks - perhaps even less than that. So if you are two years into the work then I would look at leveraging all of the tools within your tool belt.. But even with powerful psychedelics I feel that you need to be at a baseline state where you are mature enough.

@OneIntoOne the path typically commences with first becoming conscious directly that what you thought you were - an entity behind the eyes - was just a fiction. This is the realization of no self. This is a state of satori or a non-dual state. It is quite profound and may be preceded by smaller glimpses or mystical experiences - which can also be non-dual states. When the self is dissolved there can be the realization of Self. It may happen in the same awakening but may also happen in another awakening. When God begins to wake up there is usually a flurry of awakenings and mystical experiences. So yes I would commence with self inquiry, do nothing meditation, and concentration meditation and other tools which can lead to a state of satori and ultimately the realization of no-self. This is not a conceptual realization but it is actual. Since everything is Consciousness, becoming conscious that what you believed you were was a fiction, will actually result in the falling away of that belief and becoming Pure Consciousness itself.

You can never know something totally until you become it. So you have to be at the level of Being which requires awakening. Knowing is 2nd order...knowing something conceptually is a finite or partial form of Being. The duality of knowing and being can be collapsed into Being. So Being is knowing but is also much more than that! It's infinity!

Because when you have the awakening where self/other collapses- your consciousness expands so much that other people are no different than the thoughts you are having now. When you think of a unicorn obviously you can tell it is only in your mind. It's the same feeling with this it is just with everything...the mind expands to include everything else....right now the state of consciousness is purposely lower so that there is an apparent separation between self and other. It will really freak you out when it happens but there will be no denying it or escaping it.

Supposedly - but it seems no one is getting enlightened.

@Terell Kirby good work ?

Indeed!!

If you go deep enough you can see that this starts to break down. Because if "you" were to have an awakening in which there was the collapse all dualities you will be totally One. His consciousness wouldn't then collapse into yours if he was actually separate from you. It would if he was never separate from you to begin with but rather there was only the illusion of separation. @AdamR95 good insights yeah Infinity will skullfuck you

@yannick very messed up man. I read a few of the testimonials on the website.- the 2nd one was something..it seems like there is definitely mind control and manipulation going on there...and the dude seems like a wacked out narcissist lost in his own world. Good job getting your ass out of there.

That is the proper way to approach this As long as you have that type of mindset where you don't just take our word for anything..because then it can sneakily turn into a belief. But yes, self/other is a duality that can collapse with an awakening.

Yes It's the unified understanding that it is all One. The desire for Mahāsamādhi is still creating a duality. But awakening in itself is not an illusion. Rather it is realizing that the "dream" is Absolute Truth .

That is false. You can fully awaken from the dream without harming the physical body. There is nowhere to go but back into the dream, but you can fully awaken.

Yes that's why I placed it in the relative because the specific things that matter are directly relative to that finite being and what matters to that finite beings survival. In this case his mother's death would most likely pain him deeply and have widespread consequences on his own survival and well being. Notice this isn't a problem it's a feature. On An Absolute level it is all Absolute Love because there is no difference between anything as reality is Infinite and Selfless with a complete lack of bias towards anything because it is all things and there is nothing that can be outside of it.

That means you are choosing one thing over another. If it were meaningless then it would make no difference if she drowned or not..That's the point I was trying to make. I'm not debating that Absolutely speaking nothing matters I'm speaking relatively.

Are you saying its also OK to let her drown?

That's fine but that's still a meta perspective. I'm talking more literally. I'll give you an example. If your mother is drowning in a pool is it going to matter to you to go in and save her or are you just going to say nothing really matters and let her die? If you jump in and save her that's because it mattered to you.

In order for one to manipulate material reality they already have to be conscious enough to realize any other human in the world doing such things would also be their imagination. This goes very deep - and must be Total. It would take extremely radical levels of consciousness- to the point where if you could do it at all - at that point it would lose all meaning....it would be like going into developer mode on your personal video game and then going back into the game as the player. So it would mean nothing other than an entertaining experiment. You would then need to fool yourself via imagination once back as the player and forget you modified the game as the game master. Of course Leo is already at the level where he is conscious on an Absolute level that this is just his own playground so it would probably work out great. .