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As a finite being you have bias towards some things and not others. If you had zero bias you would be infinite (total Oneness) and selfless. In other words, you as a self would be dead.

There is nothing Absolutely wrong with it. But as God in human form you shall align with Absolute Goodness. You accept yourself fully and therefore love all parts of yourself. You are selfless and therefore have no preferences or bias. You simply are love. Thus you will find yourself not raping, nor killing.

Yes I know exactly what you mean. In which case it is their ego that is co-opting. It's almost better if they don't perceive awakening as an end to suffering...eh..but the paradox is - it is. I would be untruthful if I told you otherwise. Not to say someone has to be awake to transcend suffering..but what is interesting is as I said that I realized the two unite..just not in the way the ego thinks it does.

Very true. (No pun intended). @Shin we need to aim high No? Not chase though.

@caelanbJust because you have an understanding of a thing does not mean you have a grasp/vision or are open minded to the epistemological and metaphysical ramifications of QM....that is a whole other thing. The ramifications are extremely radical and most modern scientists do not want to go there. It's too much and it would shatter their paradigm. It would also alienate them from their peers and make them an outcast of academia..just for being ahead of their time.

@RoerAmit awaken. Awakening transcends the self into selflessness. That which has no self cannot suffer. You may ask what happens when when self returns - well when the self returns - remember you have transcended it...so you no longer identify as the self unless you choose to.

@Yali here is a mind fuck..from the momk's POV does spiral dynamics even exist?

Oh ho @Shin in da house!!!!

To imagine it. Why do you dream stuff in your dreams at night?

The infinite cannot know finite by definition. Infinite does not know. Infinite IS

For someone who is genetically spiritually gifted they could potentially listen to one of Leo's metaphysical videos and have a spontaneous awakening but for most words (no matter how profound) are not going to be enough to trigger a mystical experience or awakening. They will need to do the practices....but one can also meditate and or take psychedelics after listening to one of the metaphysical videos or perhaps even during and have an awakening. But your correct to break through to the level of Being it's not going to be grasped via concept because it is prior to concept. Being is Infinity and the finite cannot grasp the Infinite. There needs to be a mystical shift in consciousness.

You just said it. Actuality - which is Being. At the level of Being you ARE it. This is prior to knowing but at the same time encompasses knowing which is conceptual and finite.

in a state of God Consciousness you will drown in Love, Bliss and Divinity. Yet also the realization of total Oneness can be jarring and shocking as well. It is extremely radical because your entire reality will be recontexualized before your eyes. To know existentially (at the level of Being) that you are all beings, all creatures, all objects, everything. That you are alone as God....this..this can be one of the hardest realizations to swallow. But also it is wonderful at the same time. Cannot be explained really - only directly experienced..and once the realization is fully integrated the terror does pass.

Totally Agreed

No one here is anti-science it's just that most scientists are rationalists and believe that reality can be figured out via logic. Science simply has to advance to a transrational stage in which things like paradox and mysticism can be embraced. Only then can there be the unification of science and mysticism. Like @Tim R said this isn't going to happen in our lifetime but it will happen.

I would agree from the standpoint if the ego wants awakening what happens is the ego will co-opt awakening for itself and turn it into an egoic goal or pursuit - thus paradoxically moving one further away from actual awakening.

Sure but why is paradox a problem.. we can and will encounter paradox all over the place. I'm simply stating that awakening has to come without thinking too hard about it. Like when you ride a bike you are not thinking about how you are working the pedals..if you did you would probably get in your own way...rather you are just being.

@Javfly33 your answer is in the title of your post. "No matter how hard they try" Stop "trying" trying comes from ego. And awakening is God realizing itself. Also take a listen to Leo's latest video on paradox. Consider you might be coming at this trying to "know" enlightenment. Notice I said "trying to know". Just live and let things flow. Continue the practices but stop putting pressure on yourself. It is not yourself that will have the realization. Stop "thinking or obsessing" about it. It is not found via thought.

It's not a denial of anything it is an Awakening that you can have as God to a particular facet of Truth. That this is precisely a dream and all of it is being held within God Consciousness and God Consciousness is none other than what you are. It's just that right now you have imagined otherwise - that you are a human self with other human selves. Self/other is just another duality that can be collapsed. It may seem like a word game but I assure you it is the furthest thing from.

That's what i was pointing to yes. But while the ego is there, even though awakening is ego dissolution, (the individual does not awaken, rather God does) - the ego returns. It is never the same though. There is kind of a fusion of God and ego. Oneness.

You are doing this as God as I pointed out earlier. But to become ignorant again is to completely forget you were omniscient. It must be total.

Indeed..It's just a game. You can still chase things in a video game - it's actually more entertaining because you know it's a game but you can still allow yourself to get immersed in the game. That said - be careful not to take what is being said as a belief. Become directly conscious of it for yourself.

Why would God forsake itself ? To live the dream I guess...it undoes its own awakening all the time. That said would a God realized "human" do that? What is seen cannot be unseen - and besides - why would a liberated "individual" put themselves back into ignorance and suffering?

God/You are dreaming up all of reality. To become directly conscious of it is to awaken from the dream.

Character "issues" have nothing to do with the teachings themselves. No teacher is perfect. All teachers are finite. And besides the teachings aren't about you.