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Yeah for sure I totally agree there. That is a good distinction to point out There can be many glimpses/mystical experiences prior to a full awakening/Realization.

Yes but first you have to realize that you are God.

@Wilhelm44 I think he was talking about neo-advaita in which awakening is the realization of no self and that's it. Duality was the self and it is an illusion. While all that is true that's where it ends for them. There is no God realization. Because there is no one to realize God. It's just - there is no self. But if you get stuck in thinking that the realization of no self is all there is you can never reach the highest realizations and that's where you will be. I also think in many cases that these realizations of no self are just conceptual and not actual which is not true spirituality. True spirituality is about Actuality. It is mystical, but this can be dismissed too because there is no one to experience anything

Ok I would start doing self inquiry. Inquire as to what you think you are and then start crossing those things off the list as you rule them out. Something can click (the realization of no self) its very powerful. Continue doing the do nothing meditation as well. Mix in some concentration meditation. Just stare at an object for a while and see if it starts to shift back in forth.

@King Merk do you have a meditation practice currently? And have you done self inquiry?

If it's an actual no self awakening you will be God. Period. Because that is what remains. You were always God but now you are in an elevated state of Consciousness. Now the question is whether you have the realization that that is what you are. For me both realizations happened with the same awakening. The realization that the self was an illusion was a shifting to identifying with Consciousness itself. But this is probably not common. it could be the self dissolves with the realization that it was an illusion, they experience God/Pure Consciousness, but aren't conscious yet that they are God. That's fine. But if you are having these types of awakenings sober typically as was with me you will have a series of them within a short time span - like a couple of weeks or months period where you will have more realizations.

Dude it hurts. He was like the best guy on here.

this is extremely sad to hear..he was a beloved member of this community. My thoughts and prayers go out to his family

No I think Frank is over complicating things frankly (no pun intended) . If you mix in so much concept and stages you are just gonna make awakening more complex.

Notice your statement. I believe. It's relative. I am merely pointing out relativity, which permeates through all of reality.

This is a projection in your mind of how an enlightened being should be. Nothing more.

No it's the same thing! When you become conscious of No self you become conscious of Self. There is an integration process and a deepening of this understanding afterwards but it is what it is.

In the end there are no few. That's the cost.

So what you are saying is God putting itself to sleep and being unaware that it is God is the most selfless act and God should stay asleep? Nonsense. In order for you to even make such a statement one needs to first realize they are God..

I think your wrong there or Leo is not enlightened. His life was given away for Truth so that is a perfect example. Me, I stumbled on it.

@Scholar Your right that too much concept can be a negative. I see one who chases enlightenment as the ego seizing awakening for Itself which paradoxically will keep someone from actually ever reaching awakening. It is almost best if it's stumbled apon - because once it's turned into a goal forget it. Unless you have completely given up your life for Truth which in itself is a selfless act.

Hard to express this stuff with language.

Great explanations

Locked for being nonsense.

I think he was trying to get him to stop identifying with the imaginary entity behind the eyes.

Stages can be valuable though - until they are not. One awakening is not going to do it. It takes a lot of awakenings and then a lot of integration afterwards. And then even then your consciousness can deepen. It can do that for infinity. But when you do become conscious of Oneness it's done. Talking about it with others or trying to enlighten them becomes entertainment right away - at that point its just God becoming more conscious of itself.

Right all language is finite. If you are truly God Realized it's done. All of this- this forum - stages of development- all of it - is just for entertainment. Teaching others is entertainment. That's it.

That is actually correct. That's why I dislike the phrase direct experience it's not Total enough. Being is King. But Being is as direct as you can get because there is no you. So when we say direct experience that is what is implied.

Dude you're all over the place and not making any sense. Take a chill pill.

Go back to the drawing board bud! If you still think there is someone that gets enlightened and then sees the enlightenment of others then you have much more to go! And no - you don't go back to suffering because there is no one to suffer