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If you stayed conscious of this stuff all the time you couldn't function in society. Functioning period is being IN the dream and thus lost in it. That's why Leo was saying in the other thread that socializing (which is basically being lost in the dream - makes you less conscious. (Not less intelligent and he should have clarified that).

I'm not sure I understand the question?

@m0hsen it doesn't even exist if you are not conscious of it right now. And even then it exists as a thought in your mind. But that's the freaky thing about reality. Everything is consciousness- there is nothing outside of consciousness. So if you aren't conscious of it, it doesn't even exist. Now you may ask - if it doesn't exist how can the story seem so fluid - i.e. you look at the moon but then look away and think about something else. (Moon no longer exists) you then look back and it's there - slightly changed from before. But how If it didn't exist? Well that's because infinity does not need anything happening in the background. It can manifest entire universes instantaneously- it does not need any type of grounding. It's really rather astounding you just have to watch that it doesn't lead to nihilism because it leads to the realization that things only exist and have meaning if you imagine them to. To the question did it happen? The present moment is actually eternal and unchanging so everything is imagination. Even saying it happened is you imagining it happened. It's a massive mind fuck

If you knew only perfection and everything and every being was "perfect" there would no longer be any difference between anything. It would lose its meaning. Besides - wouldn't that boring after a while ? ? defeating your attempt to abolish boredom.

@at_anchor meditation can bring waves of bliss as you can connect with Being. And this will improve your overall well being. So yes it has health benefits. If you are going for awakening then self inquiry meditation is good. If you just want to meditate for well being then what you might do is do nothing meditation or concentration meditation by focusing your gaze on something and keeping it there. In do nothing you try to get in a state or not knowing. Thoughts may come but notice them and let them pass. Just watch them and try to get into a state if not knowing. This will align you more with Being and either method will raise your level of consciousness. Not saying you cant have a mystical experience here either - its certainly feasible...I'm sure there are guys here that can offer much more in depth answers on meditation but this is what seems to work for me. I also enjoy sitting in meditation in saunas. This seems especially good for reaping health benefits.

But in such a society what if it was perfectly economical to imprison them. And you could do this with ease. Would you still want to execute them? And if so - why?

This is precisely why a lot of prisoners take their own lives in jail as soon as they get the chance.

Telling someone that seems depressed that death would be their salvation is not a very wise thing to do. Help is available. I could be wrong but that's what I am Intuiting is going on here. Maybe @Holykael can clear that up.

In my early years when I was an atheist I was because I thought if God existed he would show himself. And then you are raised in the age of science and the materialist paradigm. Even though I was Jewish I just immediately assumed religion was just something that kept the family together (my grandfather would often say this) . I just figured God and Spirit were just stories...very Interesting myths but that's it. After all, we had science and science could explain everything. So yeah I think a lot was culture and a lot is that God is very mysterious and we don't take to this well. If we can't see it or touch it, it doesn't exist.

The big bang doesn't really answer anything where did the big bang come from? Basically here you just throw your hands up and say ...well we don't know it just came out of nowhere. But that doesn't answer anything.

That was the point I was trying to point out. But the resources thing is an issue. If we imprisoned everyone it would put more of a strain on us taxpayers too.

Because the orange population expects "justice". So let's give em some. But let's make him rot his mind in a cell. Oh I see turquoise' argument now - he could actually enjoy his life there. Read books. Gain an education....awaken. yeah. But let me throw Coral at ya. If he's dead he ain't suffering. If u want justice the old fashioned way slice his eyeballs out and remove the tongue. Then toss him in a cell with no windows for the rest of his days.

If he's dead is he going to suffer for killing many others or is someone else just happy that justice was served. What is justice is relative is it not? Justice can also be considered not allowing him to hurt others by imprisonment. This would also humiliate him. If you kill him he isn't around to reap what he sowed.

@Leo GuraWhy would you put him to death? For vengeance? Or to save resources? It's not a question for green this goes far beyond green. What good would executing them be other than the desire to make someone feel better? Now - the question is- should one play God to make another human feel better? And in fact this won't make them feel whole again it is just piling one wrong on top of another. That is the highest understanding.

So your system is purely based on what's better for the economy?

That's precisely whar Coral would say. I would expect no less.

The real question is what is Coral? Leo is Coral. As am I. Yet we still have shades of all previous stages. There is compassion but ultimately there is reality.

Shall I lock? Yellow Indeed has spoken. Nothing more needs be said.

Thats right but the question is why are you not in favor? It shouldn't be just because someone could be innocent. It should be because it's wrong at a high level. Freeing up resources is a very low consciousness reason. You could make the argument for yellow bring in favor of that because it sees society has no other option. But it's weak. It really is.

If they are guilty. Let's say the guy raped and murdered your daughter and you saw him do it. He was arrested and charged. Are you in favor of putting him to death then?

It doesn't matter if they are innocent or not again that's a separate issue. Let's assume they did it. What is your view then, if they did it?

Of course not. And if Leo had to look at it deeper I'm sure he would agree. Saving resources is a very red thing. If it really came down to survival fine- we do what we have to do. But once beyond that no

That's not what we are concerned with here. The question was would yellow back this. You are sounding extremely narrow minded with this approach. We are looking at the higher meaning of what putting someone to death or not is.

Dude most of the people locked up are guilty. The falsely accused are far and few between. Furthermore that's a completely separate discussion.

Death does nothing. If you want to do it to free up prison beds fine. But otherwise it accomplishes zilch. It doesn't make the families feel whole again. Nothing can other than forgiveness. Which is Love. Leo think deeper here.