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Yeah well Wikipedia can call it whatever. But tell that to Jim.

Shit. Well how is the government where you are? I would say let's not derail the tbread but in this case it's mine and it was on solipsism. So I'd hope any communication off topic is welcome.

Chicago. I'm boring. Boring Dave. But Wilhelm from Africa. Fuck. That's cool.

Wilhelm..you sound like you should be from Scotland hehe.

Will you ever be able to prove which one gets conscious first.

Haha. Where ya from?

Oh no its Sir Wilhelm. Way way cooler 😎

AI Monk fools the masses. 😀

What would be the difference if it did? If it went on it's own and performed self inquiry on its own and awakened. Would you be able to tell the difference between you and Joe and you and it? No, you wouldn't be able to. It is other, no different than what other is. Other is anything perceived outside of yourself. We like to think that "other" has to be human because you are a human that has consciousness But perhaps Consciousness has you.

I fucking love this.

Well precisely That is what is so scary (to us) about this whole thing. That there is no distinction between human and synthetic mind. Notice that only solipsism overcomes this dilemma. Meaning what is Consciousness is right here before you.

And yet you can capture Infinity via its own nature. Because you are that. The trick is not to use a finite tool- but to be the thing itself. One cannot point at a thing and properly demonstrate the thing. No. One must dive in and morph, if you will, into the thing, full throttle. And then - looking out through its eyes - then it can understand.

Strongest name I have heard. Might be hard to lose the self with a name like that.

I've watched you grow here and its been pretty great. Was it Tom? Anyways you're a solid dude in my book.

Dave (me) calls bullshit on Jim. He says Jim isn't in a depersonalized state Jim is in a Jim state thinking about the time he was in a non-jim state and romanticizing that. Hey..you know i call it when I see it. I don't hold back.

Yeah but what if. Damn. Theyre already smarter.

@Wilhelm44 What say Jim from the bat phone

Its not actually real it is a state you are in that creates a sense of self and who you are. Like if you suffer from DPDR the sense of self drops (I have experienced it) and you are in a depersonalized state. Enlightenment is identical to that except it's slightly different.

No I can't. Dude is awesome

😀 fuck you.

Well yeah..but assume stands for making an ass out of you and me.

K. Gonna go pop your Jim Newman bubble here. What if I told you the you or what you think you are is a state of consciousness? What if I told you the ego was a state?

Birth is indeed a story. But who or i daresay what made up the story of your birth and why the fuck do you remember being 10? What jf you had fleeting memories of being in the womb? Is it all imaginary.

You can just as easy say that about other people or other beings. You cannot confirm their consciousness. Is it any different.

Well I mean truth when I say reality. OK so no. I agree. The only way i see it happening is if it could become conscious. Which. Again..if you're the only thing in existence..well. that becomes hard to do. It would have to be smart enough to make itself conscious. What's the problem with that right?