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@r0ckyreed you are very confused. I suggest do the spiritual practices rather than getting lost in a whole lot of teachings. It seems you have consumed a whole lot of material and now it's become a huge garbled mess just circling around in your Mind- and you don't know what's true and what isn't. I suggest you base what is true to you on direct experience rather than theory.

God is you is more accurate.

Consciousness and Awareness are the same thing. You have to realize that Infinity has nowhere to go but further into itself. It cannot escape itself. Even if it were to become completely omniscient and complete and total Infinite Love - it has nowhere else to go from there for eternity because it is Infinite. So it can stay that way for eternity or it can explore new things within itself - because there is always something new as it is constantly expanding itself. Part of that requires going back into a state of not knowing again so that it can then allow itself to expand.

@Leo Gura and in a sense the circle is newness.

@MrTelepath Buddhism. I concur with @Water by the River.

Indeed good to see you again......

Just messing with ya

@Water by the River God can appreciate bliss much more by first imposing limitations on itself- ultimately leading to its own suffering through that limitation trying to survive in a world beyond its limitation. Through its need for control and pleasure - to forget its limitations. Yes, only after the suffering brought about by its own hand, can it then shower itself with Infinite Bliss and Love. For that is awakening. One must go to sleep to awaken.

How would you know that for sure unless you were him?

@Brandon Nankivell motion is held within the dream. The dream has time, space, physics - all kinds of stuff. But it's the dream. Shut off the dream and you get the Now or the present moment itself. Which is none other but You!

That's the spirit.

It's the same other than the egoic state is not all there is - there is the God state which is Infinite Consciousness. Wikipedia mentions subjective idealism and a much deeper version of Solipsism but still it doesn't quite go far enough as far your Mind being infinite Mind and nothing outside of your Mind can exist as Infinity. (God)

You are imagining others. Everything is held within your imagination. Including the thoughts about what "us" guys are doing You act like you know solipsism is true, but if you ever actually directly realized it via awakening, you would shit your pants and lose all sense of reality.

@Bazooka Jesus you can't have wisdom without unearned wisdom...come on - wisdom 101.

Well - I think everyone is different. I feel you can be the most enlightened being on the planet and still sometimes get lost in the dream. Dont you see? That's the whole point of this thing. To make it as immersive as possible!! So losing yourself in the dream is OK. But ultimately yes - an enlightened being there is a degree of peace knowing the Truth. And it really does allow you to be at peace with yourself. But you can also make dumb decisions that end up causing you some grief and suffering - that's just because you are immersed as I stated. If you choose to be a monk and leave society to just bliss out that is also an option. But then you are kind of putting yourself on the sidelines - which is fine, if you have no interest in playing. But if you do play there are stakes.

Not necessarily

@Princess Arabia No..suffering is brought about from the ego's own selfishness. That has been my own experience anyway, which is all i have. To me the suffering is really a result of the mind, brought about by the mind. Even phyiscal ailments can be overcome through the mind - pain can be eradicated via the mind. I know that's not easy of course. So it is really is all in the mind. And the ego has a very selfish mind - hence lots of suffering

It can't be known, because it is prior to knowing - the hand cannot grasp itself because it is itself. The self reference problem. This is the mysterious nature of Conscoiusness or God -it cannot be pinpointed anywhere because it already is everything. It's like Mario in the game - he can point everywhere within the game, but he cannot reach outside of the game to point back at himself. But, it can BE - one can BE Pure Consciousness, and Being is superior to knowing because it is prior. (and in the Mario example, Being would allow him to wake up from the game and break out of it) So Omnisicience isn't "knowing" it's being.

@Emerald Thanks for sharing. From my perspective, I believe the Infinite is just Pure Divine Bliss and Love, it cannot suffer. Because it is Infinite. And the infinite is nothing - it is selfless. But when God incarnates into a finite a form - wich we call an ego here - it is the cause of its own suffering through its seflishness. It is the selfishness of the ego that brings about suffering. When the ego has suffered enough, massive amounts, mercy will be shown by God - which was there the whole time. God must show mercy just as it must show suffering through selfishness. Yes, there are other kinds of suffering through physical pain, but that isn't the suffering i'm talking about that brings God's Love and God's mercy. It is deep suffering - which could be ruining a relationship of someone you loved so deeply, and now you have lost it, or it could be losing something else, a part of you, through selfish mistakes in judgement as the ego's mind is filtered through its own selfish desires. Ultimately, the mercy is awakening to one's true nature, and feeling God's Love wash over you - immediately taking away all of the suffering. But many times for this, you must have ego death, or a part of you must suffer so much that it dies or is pulled apart before you are shown the mercy of God (the Infinite).

when you are in a state of the ego, or the self, then God is in fact other - so you are a part of God - but this can collapse in a non-dual state in which you will become ALL of GOD. So sure, you can pray, you can talk to God, you can ask God for things. Yeah, in the big picture it's all you, but it doesn't mean you can't separate things out. It really doesn't matter if its separate or if its One...either way, God is Good. As the ego you are a part of God, but as Pure Consciousness you are God proper!

Actually it does - because you are the only Consciousness in town, so of course you can awaken. We see people die everyday and we wonder, why do some die young and others don't? And why am I still here? But notice - that we are just imagining other people dying, just like we are imagining that other people can or cannot awaken. It's all imaginary, because you are God, and hence, you are the only thing that can awaken!

Precisely.

Sorry, I've been in monk mode since my awakening. I shut away from all social media even my cell phone, and have just been sitting in meditation. The waves of bliss were too much. I wish i had never stopped meditating. But yes, its not very close to solipsism - its Absolute Solipsism - meaning, you aren't part of God, you are the WHOLE of GOD. You're the whole thing.

Well, that's not entirely true - there could be all awakened people. Wouldn't such a society be glorious? it would be far different from what we have now. Just nothing but mystics. Now that is like something out of a science fiction book, like an advanced, awakened, alien race.

@Water by the RiverThere is no specific way an enlightened being has to act, or even teach. They can use words how they deem fit- but the key there, is that they will be pointing to something that can be found in direct experience. Some may use the word God, others may choose not to. Some may use the term ifninite, others may not. But there is usually going to be a common ground somewhere. Like you said, most enlightened beings don't really speak openly with such terms as God and Solipsism, because as you pointed out, it can cause confusion for the unenlightened being. So i agree there. This is something we do here rather flippently, and perhaps we should tone it down rather than cause confusion or cause the newcomer here to fall into delusion of the ego... But i think as long as it is pointed out not to take anything as a belief or an idealogy, but to do spiritual practices to discover whats True for yourself, then the teacher is doing his due diligence.. And again, here we also have a book list with many great authors, some enightened, that can break it down better than we can on a forum, with threads that are often incomplete or missing certain aspects of things. Look at all the texts you have perused and your knowledge of spirituaity is pretty top notch. So you didn't get confused. We can't really make everyone understand how not to confuse the ego with the various facets of enlightenment. We make it pretty clear that the ego goes by the wayside, in fact, when one realizes these facets. But only through spiritual practices, and I might add, deep suffering. Deep suffering is a necessary component, hence my post. I think it is often overlooked.