Inliytened1

Death does not exist other than an as an idea. Correct but it does not negate enlightenment

No.. death is not what you think it is. Death and ego death are the same thing. The changing of form or the relinquishing of the dream is not death it is change. Nothing can physically die it can just morph into something else...the death is the relinquishing of the idea of what you were before.

Well - no - you become awaken fully - its the whole deal. You will completely wake up as God. But then, you will go back into the dream because you are not ready to let it go forever. Thats why with enlightenment you are still appearing to be in the body. You're speaking of Masamadhi. Or permanent Awakening or change of form. This to me now is simply a concept because I have no direct validation. But I can tell you that enlightenment is all it's cracked up to be. You will die and become God. The physical body returns because of the attachment to this particular dream.

Thats probably the only thing you got right. Because suffering is of the ego....as long as the ego exists suffering will exist to some degree. Enlightenment is the liberation from suffering in the present moment. But enlightenment is not permanent. Nothing is permanent but impermanence. But you do gain the wisdom to rise above suffering. That is key.

Notice that this is an assumption. This in itself is a conceptual theory. Be very careful here. Enlightenment is something prior to this- it is direct Consciousness or Being. It is possible to awaken from the dream. Notice that believing it is a speculation is a direct conclusion without any direct validation.

You're applying time to the matter. Time is something generated by Infinity not a subject to Infinity. Its not that something is living and dying every nanosecond, it's that they are alive and dead simultaneously- as in there is no difference between the two!

I wouldn't really put it like that without telling the full story. That's like saying Infinity is a dream within the dream without explaining all of Infinity first. Yes in a sense it is - but it is also that which dreams the dream. It creates the dream but also becomes the dream inside of itself.

It is imaginary. Because you are all Beings now. But what if you imagined it was real? Then it would be!

But notice - the subtle duality being created here between everything, nothing and you. Here, everything and nothing is "other". But it is not separate from Yourself. The point of God realization is the collapse of self and "other".

When Leo says you are God - he has already collapsed the ego and God. Most of us are not there yet - so we still create a duality between the two. It is thus easier to understand if we say that God is you rather than you are God - indicating that the ego is all of God. When you get far enough along the path this duality will collapse as well.

@r0ckyreed you are very confused. I suggest do the spiritual practices rather than getting lost in a whole lot of teachings. It seems you have consumed a whole lot of material and now it's become a huge garbled mess just circling around in your Mind- and you don't know what's true and what isn't. I suggest you base what is true to you on direct experience rather than theory.

God is you is more accurate.

Consciousness and Awareness are the same thing. You have to realize that Infinity has nowhere to go but further into itself. It cannot escape itself. Even if it were to become completely omniscient and complete and total Infinite Love - it has nowhere else to go from there for eternity because it is Infinite. So it can stay that way for eternity or it can explore new things within itself - because there is always something new as it is constantly expanding itself. Part of that requires going back into a state of not knowing again so that it can then allow itself to expand.

@Leo Gura and in a sense the circle is newness.

@MrTelepath Buddhism. I concur with @Water by the River.

Indeed good to see you again......

Just messing with ya

@Water by the River God can appreciate bliss much more by first imposing limitations on itself- ultimately leading to its own suffering through that limitation trying to survive in a world beyond its limitation. Through its need for control and pleasure - to forget its limitations. Yes, only after the suffering brought about by its own hand, can it then shower itself with Infinite Bliss and Love. For that is awakening. One must go to sleep to awaken.

How would you know that for sure unless you were him?

@Brandon Nankivell motion is held within the dream. The dream has time, space, physics - all kinds of stuff. But it's the dream. Shut off the dream and you get the Now or the present moment itself. Which is none other but You!

That's the spirit.

It's the same other than the egoic state is not all there is - there is the God state which is Infinite Consciousness. Wikipedia mentions subjective idealism and a much deeper version of Solipsism but still it doesn't quite go far enough as far your Mind being infinite Mind and nothing outside of your Mind can exist as Infinity. (God)

You are imagining others. Everything is held within your imagination. Including the thoughts about what "us" guys are doing You act like you know solipsism is true, but if you ever actually directly realized it via awakening, you would shit your pants and lose all sense of reality.

@Bazooka Jesus you can't have wisdom without unearned wisdom...come on - wisdom 101.

Well - I think everyone is different. I feel you can be the most enlightened being on the planet and still sometimes get lost in the dream. Dont you see? That's the whole point of this thing. To make it as immersive as possible!! So losing yourself in the dream is OK. But ultimately yes - an enlightened being there is a degree of peace knowing the Truth. And it really does allow you to be at peace with yourself. But you can also make dumb decisions that end up causing you some grief and suffering - that's just because you are immersed as I stated. If you choose to be a monk and leave society to just bliss out that is also an option. But then you are kind of putting yourself on the sidelines - which is fine, if you have no interest in playing. But if you do play there are stakes.