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Let's not fool ourselves. With mainstream Christianity and Judaism there is no search for the sacred. But as you said even that is corrupt because it is a belief. You should do it out of curiosity not that you believe there is some sacred truth out there. Actualized i believe aligns with this at least at the beginning. The earlier stuff. Even moving forward It's hard for a teacher who has found Truth not to admit it exists at all. But still here it remains a curiosity as far as to answer questions like what am I, what is reality. And, what is Truth, if it exists. I think overall Leo had been very careful not to corrupt his work. There is going to be some corruption in everything.

It is difficult for you to find the comparison because it doesnt exist. Dont try to argue with him he will only double down. To the point where he starts calling America Nazis too.

Trump is gonna send inferior races to the gas chambers now? Yeah OK. This whole Nazi comparison does way more harm then good. You get people like Kirk assassinated. While he was kind of an ass i wouldn't have killed him.

Haliva, who stepped down from his position in April 2024.... Enough said? One man's statement who isn't even in leadership.

Well - maybe that's what it started out as. But something got lost in translation. Again I may be generalizing here and I shouldn't. I'm speaking more about mainstream Christianity.

I know he didn't invent any of it but he did separate the wheat from the chaff so to speak. So credit to Actualized.org for that while also pioneering new ground. But to your point on mysticism...interesting..what is mysticism exactly? It is not necessarily in my opinion the difference between concept and actuality. Mysticism can result from meditation and contemplation such as self inquiry but I would not call these practices mysticism alone. That said I do agree there are some religions where "mysticism" exists such as Buddhism, however as you said it is lost on mainstream Christianity and religion today. And this is the problem. Furthermore I do not consider mysticism part of the religion itself but let's say you could theoretically. And let's say mysticism means direct experience or actuality. The foundation of religion is it is a belief system. So you would be essentially saying that you "believe" Truth can be found via mysticism (empirical investigation) And the distinction here is I"m not saying to do that..I'm simply saying hold no beliefs and conduct an empirical inquiry for yourself. Don't put that into a container called religion where you believe it may lead to Truth. Nothing is assumed but rather look at such things as "open curiosity" and let scientific exploration (empirical investigation) sort things out for you. I feel this is lost on most religion today. Even with Buddhism mysticism is baked into the belief system. And so I don't feel Actualized is a New Age Religion. I see it as ultimately science and spirituality must merge as all things must. Here you have a culmination of that. Galileo was a Christian but he went against the Church with his science and was excommunicated for it.

Why? You could be amazing at teaching something that doesn't have to necessarily mean it had to work for you. If it worked for 100 people and not yourself wouldn't you say it was effective? A football coach can be an amazing offensive coordinator it doesn't mean he had to be on the offensive line. It might be good for his resume but it doesn't mean he can't know it or teach it effectively. That's what Leo did with his earlier work which makes it rather remarkable.

I don't walk around with that label but the goal of the retreat is God realization. You have it or you don't. You're lucid as God or you aren't.

Well no I beg to differ. When I discovered Actualized.org I happened to stumble on these so called enlightened videos. So i listened. I was always an atheist but I stumbled on them when searching how to resolve boredom and meditation came up with Leo's videos. From there I stumbled on self inquiry and his first enlightenment videos where it was said that there is an illusion or something that can be found that most people on the planet have no consciousness of, I listened. But then out of mere curiosity and naivety i applied the self inquiry and other meditation practices encouraged to discover what the self was. Because paramount to realize what was really going on here (reality) It was stated the self was an illusion but that you must discover it for yourself by conducting an empirical investigation. Hmm..kinda scientific.. Religion does not encourage an empirical investigation at all. It also doesn't distinguish the difference between concept and actuality. And that just dwelling in actuality could bring about a shift in your awareness. So no religion teaches this. They just want you to adhere to a set of concepts and beliefs (for Christianity it is a figure named Jesus) and not discover what is true, which starts with what you yourself are. Example - Religions like Christianity take for granted or assume already that you are a soul. But if you actually question that premise deeply enough then you discover that the soul exists nowhere and is nothing but a thought. Christianity doesn't go this deep because it doesn't want to get that logical like science would. You see uncovering the Truth could never happen for a Christian because they aren't free enough to leverage science or an empirical investigation into things. It's all based on preconceived beliefs or assumptions that can never be questioned without fear of excommunication or worse. So Just like Galileo was a pioneer so should you be.

Actually he's excellent at self inquiry. Thats what enlightened me. I did my own self inquiry but it was his teachings that paved the way. It's just that he himself didn't get enlightened by it. So be very careful about that distinction. See..if he judges what he teaches by what worked for him he missed the mark. That is extremely tricky.

He better have the potion of the future then. Even one realization will send you reeling.

You're not gonna squeeze 100 awakenings into one retreat. (It's really about 5-10 legitimate awakenings) ..God realization itself i put at the pinnacle of all those realizations that must happen prior to that. He knows damn well this will not squeeze all into one. It's a start.

He should include af least self inquiry mediation. Let's be honest- most will not become enlightened on this retreat but it's something they can take home with them. One can take psychedelics on the retreat but they most likely won't be able to take that home with them. And if they get enlightened then well then they won't need it.

Please tell me again then how a religion like Christianity or even Judaism even somewhat resembles the spirituality taught here.

Good because that makes me dizzy. Yeah for sure definitely game.

Weed?

Yes of course set it up. You better get me some alien consciousness though 😀

Faintly 😀 but the difference is where you place a "belief" Did you watch Leo's videos on True spirituality vs fake? True would be to place no beliefs but to apply the concepts into your direct experience. I said you were full of crap because you are a proponent of meditation. Christians don't grasp the difference between concept and actuality. Try explaining it to them.

You're so full of crap.

The .majority of mankind won't do this becsuse they have religion or other group think instilled in them so deeply it has become their identity. I had someone literally admit this to me the other day. To learn from you requires a level of open mindedness most do not possess.

Well then you agree with religion.

@Carl-Richard there's a time and place for group think but enlightenment isn't it. That's why I brought up meditation because it involves going into yourself. Group think places your authority with the group so you can never go inside yourself. I don't know why you are having so much trouble with this. A retreat doesn't have to be about group think.

Not necessarily. What is this forum but a giant group think retreat. The videos aren't. They are straight to you. Maybe he wants something more personal but not with group think mentality. Let's all hug each other and say we are one. Nope. I'm waiting to hear how he would do it but I would say it would have to involve one on one interaction.

Well maybe that's the trick of making a retreat work while not adhering to typical group think mindset. It's possible because paradox is possible. You shouldn't cut Leo to the quick he wouldn't plan a retreat if it was just going to be group think.

Time is the key here. What do you expect would be the ultimate goal here and how would you execute it? I think you said legally so what would be the focus?