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Awakening is very much like the Matrix only that you will awaken to realize you were dreaming that you were this self, this form, and all other. It is the mystical realization that you were dreaming all of reality. So..now that's what it is. You can act like its already known but the fact of the matter remains you say your default state is objectivity or the Universe itself or Consciousness itself but did you actually realize it or is it just you conceptualizing about it.

No. Its not. Right now you specifically believe you are the self. Awakening is realizing that was an illusion. It is mystical.

Understanding is not limited to conceptual understanding alone There is something called non-dual understanding that is not conceptual. This is the direct experience and understanding as one. What is omniscience for example? And you forget that there is so much of this God-Understanding that you can handle in finite form. So its the opposite. Because you have to shift back into finite form and then digest it. So you have it backwards. God would set you up for failure if he dropped everything on you at once. Or on himself.

It was not for me. I realized that the self was an illusion before I realized that all other was also an illusion. So its fine to teach both simultaneously but one should point out that you will not realize everything at once. And teachers often just speak parts of things they dont go into things holistically. Even a teacher that would encompass everything should specify that it won't be realized all at once. The realization of Infinity is even another so the realization is infinite cannot come before that. I dont even know what the realization is infinite even means. No one said any realization was a thought i am speaking about awakening so this is not conceptual. That's the very thing im against would be to take something as a belief would be a thought.

Just comfort him. Trying to explain something to him now seems pointless. He's going to know soon anyway.

Both are dangerous if taught as a belief system. But what is have seen from the neo-advaitan teachings it is very much turned into a belief system which makes you question of the ones teachings it came to know it through concept or actuality. A further clarification is that Solpsism the way its taught here does not say there is a you or a self. So it does not contradict the no self premise.

But this doesn't explain anything and we did talk about it - since you do not consider the science. Your explanation does not resolve anything other than its just there, unfolding without anything. But what you fail to see is this is your logical scientific explanation. You claim there is no science or logic to reality yet you use this to determine your definition of reality. You saying there is no science is the science. There is a foundation to your explanation whether you wish to deny this or not. In your explanation there is a physical universe with atoms and brains and consciousness within the brain right? You cannot escape the science because it is right in front of you with what is assumed to be true. There is assumed to be a physical world. With you over here and other over there. The moon there. The sky there. The planets there. And other people there.

Each is a separate realization. You do not realize no self and no other simultaneously. So when Ramana references there is no other and I don't need to know his inner thoughts for this..he isn't saying there isnt a self. Same as when Leo talks about it. Language can only cover so much that's why teaching is limited.

Anything outside of your consciousness is actually inside your own consciousness as God. You are imagining what is outside and inside as God. That is the premise. This cannot be escaped ever ever ever. Ever.

No Ramana's exolanation doesn't contradict Solpsism. . This doesn't question the self this simply questions other. Just because you are questioning other doesn't mean you arent questioning self at some point.

Wow after my little break I see this thread is still hot! @UnbornTao thought u were done with the circle jerks..pulled back in eh..

@Leo Gura sorry this was wrong. I know how much effort you put into your work. And I know how long this stuff takes. Take you time and we dont mind how repetitive it is. I didnt mean to come off so cruel. Your work is priceless so please continue.

Absolutely. I can use some more meditation in my life haha. But don't feel sad about Oneness it's actually a beautiful thing. The ego can't handle it because it threatens its existence. As the duality of self and other must collapse. But as the higher intelligence you are you should know that this is but an illusion

Thank you. I appreciate you clearing your stance. And im glad you have based it on direct experience

Where have you been all my life.

Yes what you are discussing is integration. It is always a work in progress. Just realize that you continue to grow on the regular. I'm still growing and integrating it. It takes decades. So do not despair. Slowly you will integrate and you may continue to have deeper and deeper awakenings and realizations. Over time your understanding will grow deeper.

I think the scary part about enlightenment is when you do realize you're alone. Its frightening and you said it exactly. Other is revealed to be a part of your own mind. This can drive you insane unless you force your mind elsewhere. But the other aspects of enlightenment are amazing. And it is bliss. Many have asked for a description here and I can only describe as a blissful, dissolving feeling. As if you are dissolving into Infinity. And this will move through you. So that is very blissful, better than any high a drug or alcohol can get you. Because you are realizing that you are God. But the other side of it is that when other collapses it can be quite scary. All that you have ever known is thrown out. So you desperately want to come back to "reality". And you do, hopefully.

Hey man..well..first nice to meet you and thank you for reaching out. Its a little to drop on me at once. I'm not sure where to begin.

Good luck to him but I get a bad vibe with him and I always have. Probably the same reason i get bad vibes about Sadghuru. Businessmen and philosophers don't mix in my opinion.

I think Descartes has to be there somewhere but I dont wanna list him too high because he got a lot of shit wrong.

@Carl-Richard who are you favorite philosophers?

I know you are a fan of Spinoza as am I. Marcus Aurelius is among my favorites.

Anyways Ralson has good stuff but for me I didn't really need it because you have Leo's stuff which he drew from Ralston and many other teachers. What I love about Leo was how his unending thirst for truth allowed him to gather from all of the greatest teachers and then put it all together in a simple way where anyone could understand.

Its like you can see through me. Your intuition is very strong. Thats one of the most essential aspects of intelligence

I get the same vibe from his work you do.. I can tell something about you. Your intuition is off the charts