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But this doesn't explain anything and we did talk about it - since you do not consider the science. Your explanation does not resolve anything other than its just there, unfolding without anything. But what you fail to see is this is your logical scientific explanation. You claim there is no science or logic to reality yet you use this to determine your definition of reality. You saying there is no science is the science. There is a foundation to your explanation whether you wish to deny this or not. In your explanation there is a physical universe with atoms and brains and consciousness within the brain right? You cannot escape the science because it is right in front of you with what is assumed to be true. There is assumed to be a physical world. With you over here and other over there. The moon there. The sky there. The planets there. And other people there.

Each is a separate realization. You do not realize no self and no other simultaneously. So when Ramana references there is no other and I don't need to know his inner thoughts for this..he isn't saying there isnt a self. Same as when Leo talks about it. Language can only cover so much that's why teaching is limited.

Anything outside of your consciousness is actually inside your own consciousness as God. You are imagining what is outside and inside as God. That is the premise. This cannot be escaped ever ever ever. Ever.

No Ramana's exolanation doesn't contradict Solpsism. . This doesn't question the self this simply questions other. Just because you are questioning other doesn't mean you arent questioning self at some point.

Wow after my little break I see this thread is still hot! @UnbornTao thought u were done with the circle jerks..pulled back in eh..

@Leo Gura sorry this was wrong. I know how much effort you put into your work. And I know how long this stuff takes. Take you time and we dont mind how repetitive it is. I didnt mean to come off so cruel. Your work is priceless so please continue.

Absolutely. I can use some more meditation in my life haha. But don't feel sad about Oneness it's actually a beautiful thing. The ego can't handle it because it threatens its existence. As the duality of self and other must collapse. But as the higher intelligence you are you should know that this is but an illusion

Thank you. I appreciate you clearing your stance. And im glad you have based it on direct experience

Where have you been all my life.

Yes what you are discussing is integration. It is always a work in progress. Just realize that you continue to grow on the regular. I'm still growing and integrating it. It takes decades. So do not despair. Slowly you will integrate and you may continue to have deeper and deeper awakenings and realizations. Over time your understanding will grow deeper.

I think the scary part about enlightenment is when you do realize you're alone. Its frightening and you said it exactly. Other is revealed to be a part of your own mind. This can drive you insane unless you force your mind elsewhere. But the other aspects of enlightenment are amazing. And it is bliss. Many have asked for a description here and I can only describe as a blissful, dissolving feeling. As if you are dissolving into Infinity. And this will move through you. So that is very blissful, better than any high a drug or alcohol can get you. Because you are realizing that you are God. But the other side of it is that when other collapses it can be quite scary. All that you have ever known is thrown out. So you desperately want to come back to "reality". And you do, hopefully.

Hey man..well..first nice to meet you and thank you for reaching out. Its a little to drop on me at once. I'm not sure where to begin.

Good luck to him but I get a bad vibe with him and I always have. Probably the same reason i get bad vibes about Sadghuru. Businessmen and philosophers don't mix in my opinion.

I think Descartes has to be there somewhere but I dont wanna list him too high because he got a lot of shit wrong.

@Carl-Richard who are you favorite philosophers?

I know you are a fan of Spinoza as am I. Marcus Aurelius is among my favorites.

Anyways Ralson has good stuff but for me I didn't really need it because you have Leo's stuff which he drew from Ralston and many other teachers. What I love about Leo was how his unending thirst for truth allowed him to gather from all of the greatest teachers and then put it all together in a simple way where anyone could understand.

Its like you can see through me. Your intuition is very strong. Thats one of the most essential aspects of intelligence

I get the same vibe from his work you do.. I can tell something about you. Your intuition is off the charts

What did you not like about his work? Curious.

Totally. It's one of the best ever.

Yeah ill have another watch. I love the guy interviewing him.

I mean...look..I get it. Its not like they are wrong. I don't doubt a Jim Newman is enlightened. I just think the no you stuff is way overplayed where it does turn things into a belief system. And people that come aboard will jump aboard if you know what I mean. I just find it very dangerous.

Exactly the irony haha. Yes I've brought it up to her and we accept that we are different in certain regards but one thing we find common ground on is that God exists. She is very into Jesus so I dont push the subject. Its so ingrained- religion that is - for some people that breaking them away from it is impossible. Yeah I would have liked to find someone like minded but it wasnt in the cards. Like I said its not too big a deal. Ill go to church with her if she wants. I grew up with a Jewish background but im open to all things.

Yes. Whether there are Absolutes or not don't really matter on a personal level. Thank you Joseph. It took me a long time to realize this.