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Consciousness is mysterious - can you describe what it is or are the definitions circular. If Love is a quality of Consciousness - then this is not necessarily disagreeing with Ralston because Love is a part or an aspect of Consciousness. If it is identical but also a facet (2 sides of the coin) the what is that side. I guess you can't really explain either without using circular definitions as other stated it is just via Being that one truly understands. Anyone who has gotten a glimpse of Absolute love please let me know what made it distinct from Consciousness/Being/Unity/Oneness/Infinity for you .

So then it is a fundamental quality of unity not unity itself? Or it is the heart. So what is the heart? Is it feeling, emotion, desire, euphoria, all of these things. Or is it ineffable? find out by awakening. Well then you could say it is Truth. It is God. It is Awakening. If you call it Love notice now your definition of metaphysical Love no longer resembles what the word Love is. So why use it? I am just pondering. I am not asking for an answer unless you want to. So back to unity. What is empty unity vs full unity. If you mean Love is what fills unity and completes it then you can say it is both a facet of unity and the whole of it, depending on perspective. Thats fine. It is a facet of the Absolute but also the whole of it. Just as the finger is the hand. But it can thus be looked at as a distinct facet or the whole. I have been asking what it is as a distinct facet of the Absolute (Oneness). But no one seems to know or want to answer that. Other than saying it is Unity.

Love is other than unity in an actual sense. Unity is unity. That's the whole issue here.

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When I think of a cult I think of brainwashing and mind control and manipulation. Because its a way for the leaders of the cult to have power over others and control their minds. With as someone else said, mechanisms to prevent someone from leaving. Here we encourage free thought. If you don't like what's being said here no one is manipulating you to stay here. If you think us saying think for yourself is a mind control technique then I don't know what to tell you..its not the Truth. But the beauty is you don't have to be here if you don't wanna be..and Just for the record, arrogance and/or confidence does not a cult make.

Is there any new material here or is it just the same material newly created?

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You kinda said it yourself. It wasn't your priority because there are things of deeper value in life than material success. I am the same way I'm just not as motivated when it comes to material success than I am in discovering what's true. However I find as we get older what does matter is our relationships with others, though when it comes to romantic relationships it becomes increasingly harder to find a mate at a similar level of growth. Though far from impossible. So sometimes i have to be more flexible and that is OK for me. But for now go back to what you do best..don't overthink. Be grateful for your health, and your freedom. You didn't put yourself in jail or the hospital due to your mistakes. So you're not "retarded" 😀 you're quite brilliant actually- just be grateful for what you have. To be conscious of another day. I try to be. @No1Here2c love it bud. Yes we are all the same Being walking the walk. Even the ones who don't share our outlook.

That's where this work gets so tricky. Even Leo has gone back and wiped the slate clean at times to ensure he hasn't been self deceived. I think if someone believes something deep enough they could deceive themselves and then when later interpreting their awakenings something could get misconstrued.

Its too hard to ignore. You're just drowned in it with awakening. Whether there is a conceptual realization or not (which there wasn't for me).

Well according to Leo its an ontological matter.......and we are wrong...its not a feeling or emotion its something else? I am not disputing it is baked into the nature of reality here either. Or that it is the very fabric of Nothinfness or Consciousness m...but when one says it is intentical to Truth its really a facet hence the separate words. The problem with spirituality is no one wants to bother to clarify anything. But when said that way Ralston's position becomes clearer. He does not feel that these qualities are a facet of the Absolute.

Why all this mysteriousness or confusion around Love then existentially. Its the fact that there is no difference between anything is incomplete. It really means that God loves all parts of itself because it is all parts of reality and in its Infinite Wisdom (a hidden absolute mind you) it accepts and loves all parts of itself unconditionally. Now..what Ralston seems to miss then is that feeling and emotion are part of Infinite Consciousness. This also clarifies Infinite Goodness because anything bad to a human is Good to God. Nothing complicated about this honestly.

I agree.

That doesn't answer the question. How does it differ from the term Love in the sense we use it as humans. Is it the same just in an existential sense? I would have to agree with @Joseph Maynor feeling and emotion cannot be left out because it is a facet of Love. So if you want to refer to it as an existential emotion just like no self is Self, than OK.

Guys im just catching up here but can we stay on topic. The topic seems to be Love, ironically. Lets show some here. Lets not derail the thread.