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the question would be, who thinks it is pointless ? Who wants it to last forever ?

@winterknight Thanks !! It's something really, really trick because when we think 'that's it' is just another type of false identification, the ' I ' was always the problem, because it cannot be found, in the end there's no I, there's just being, and it's something that cannot be described using language, there's nothing to say about it, it feels like a joke , thanks for all the help

Realize that how you feel because of a situation is related to the mind's interpretation of the situation, that's why two people can have different feelings arising from the same situation, ask yourself why you feel like this, and you shall find out that is because of some belief that you have , confront this belief until it dissolves

@winterknight I think I understand what happened to me, when I first started self inquiry the 'I" that I am seemed to be a focused point in the head, I felt the I was there, like a perceiver who obeserved everything. Now it's like this point expanded and it's everywhere and nowhere at the same time, it's like a void, I feel peace and serenity, but I know it isn't the end yet

Thanks !!! I'll go further

The I is the truth, but you don't know what this I is yet, you know that you exist, you have some beliefs about what this I is, most people think they are a person, 'living in a body', etc... so you're going to investigate who is this ' I ' that I am. The problem you will encounter is that you can't find the location of this I, but you have to keep looking and looking, until the one who is looking for the I, the seeker / the self, goes away, and only the I remain, this seeker is an illusion , that's way it dissolves, so you won't answer any question, the questions will also dissolve.

Hi winterknight, I have another question. I've read a lot about that when enlightenment happens a byproduct of it would be having no thoughts anymore (random subconscious thoughts) is that a consequence of the realization ? I feel Like I am done, because of the undisturbing peace that the realization brings, but still some random thoughts appear, for example I heard a song on the radio and the song kept playing as thoughts afterwards, but way less thoughts than before are appearing, so I think maybe I'm not done yet, but I feel like I am.

When I did it I tried to focus on awareness, or rather on the 'I' who was aware, I had more results doing this then trying to relax, because when I did try to relax the mind would start to think random shit, so I got lost in thoughts, but when I concentrate with enough will I could quiet down the mind.

Exactly, that's why I said " is conditional love true ?" because most people can't unconditionally love, so when most people are talking about love they have no idea of what they're talking about, and the ones who can unconditionally love they are conscious of the oneness, so they are loving themselves actually, is THE ONE loving itself, so is there a difference in talking about love instead of knowing, because this loving of everything wouldn't be the same as knowing the oneness of everything ? Can you love without knowing first ?

The good question would be, can someone really love ? is conditional love true ? Because the mind doesn't really love, the mind has attachments to the subject of the supposed 'love' because this subject gives some meaning or something to you, so then you love it, because you are benefiting somehow,

The ego will rather die than admit its beliefs to be wrong, pride is one of the strongest ego emotions, why do people kill themselves ? it proves that the ego rather literally kill itself than look inside in see all of its bullshits.

bad news for you, you can't kill yourself cause you are immortal

I was having a toothache a couple of days ago, it was really painful I couldn't even eat, but then I remembered that It was just a mind made history, because what was this pain if not just a sensation that the mind labels as bad, so I abide in this understating and funny enough couple of minutes later the pain was gone. So an enlightened yogi probably would see through the history of the 'me' who suffers pain.

if you are really awakened and see that indeed there's no you, what now ? Will you stay sitting in a room staring the wall ? There's nowhere else for you to go, you'll have to stick around until the body dies, so what difference does it make having or not having sex, neither is wrong, There's people who need to have sex, a partner, and there is people who need to drop it and wake up, there's no free will anyway, so people wanting sex is inevitable. Each individual is in it's on level of development. You have to be careful because the mind/ego is very, very trick, the first awakening I had, the mind tried to make a new ego out of it, I was becoming a zen devil like Leo said, I was thinking that now I knew better, because I'd awoken, but fortunately I saw soon enough what was going on.

I think your advice is not very useful for most people, here in this sub people write to ask for advice for dating/relationship, most are far away from understand such a thing as non duality, are you awakened ?

If sex is what you want just do a prostitute, problem solved, and this isn't a joke, I'm serious.

I haven't used any psychedelics yet, I would like to try 5 meo dmt but I didn't find where to buy, here it is illegal and I don't know anyone who sells it, the awakenings I had happened while I was trying to be 100% aware all day long, it requires a lot of will in the begging because the mind gets lost in useless thoughts, and then I would start again when I noticed that I was lost in thought. Notice right now that you are aware, and try to "hold" it, try doing all your activities being aware that you are aware, eventually something will happen

Definitely, you're right, if you want to stay alive you shouldn't do certain things, if you don't want problem you should respect the laws, that's obvious, if you want to play the game follow the game's rules. But, labeling things right or wrong, that's ego.

if the guy was enlightened and wanted to fuck girls, or smock weed what's the matter, there's nothing wrong with anything, right and wrong is duality, isn't it ? Duality is mind stuff, thinking that some enlightened person should behave this or that way is delusion

Exactly, sometimes I also think a lot about theory and theory and actually it doesn't help much, I've had lots of awakenings already but nothing permanent yet, and I'm actually getting tired of talking and reading about, we tend to theorize too much about something that is difficult to be intellectually understood. I believe that letting go of the mind knowledge is the best way to do it

Start trying to talk with anyone, to develop your conversation skills, in the begging it might suck, but with practice it'll get easier, don't punish yourself for not being able to talk to girls, I did that when I was younger and it didn't help. Accept the situation and work with what you got, read and study a lot, some mindfulness practice, meditation it also helps a lot.

the funny thing though is that there isn't a direct evidence of her existence, or is there ? Because if I say, I see her, it is already a belief, a label, if all my memories right now just vanish, and I was in a room full of people, would I know that ' I, a human being, a man, was in a room, with other people', I don't think so. It's like if someday I wake up in a dream and it becomes a lucid dream, I can still enjoy the dream, but I don't need to take things to serious.

Something that helped me was to ask " Am I aware ?" and then trying to be aware that I am aware, and trying to hold onto it all the time.

When my wife starts to complain about something I'll say to her, I'm not gonna listen to you, you do not exist !! She might throw a non existing object at my head

Yeah , When you wake up you will see some kind of life force coming out of everything, you look at the wall and the wall will be alive,