Extreme Z7

Just did my first solo Holotropic Breathwork session today. It was pretty intense. It felt way more intense than I expected it to be. I can't give an exact chronological timeline of the events that occurred during the 30 mins I did it because I sorta lost track of time while I was doing it. But here's a short summary of what I experienced: Strong Feelings of Vibration all over my body especially around the tips of my fingers An odd 'moving' sensation in my gut whenever I slowed down my breathing after not being able to handle the intensifying vibrations Mild Paralysis when the vibrations got really strong (including the muscles that I use to breath making breathing more difficult) Slight Pain in my hands and fingers after the session, mostly felt when trying to move my fingers. These stuff basically caught me off guard. I couldn't tell whether what was happening was good or bad or whether or not it was normal. I read a reddit post about a similar experience here. It basically confirms for me that the strong vibrations are normal but I wasn't able to breakthrough them to reach an emotional release of some sort because I became too scared to surrender myself fully to the sensations. Whenever the vibrations got too strong, I'd slow down my breathing or even pause it for a few seconds. So that was my first time. Would appreciate any advice or help from anyone who reads this. I want to know if I'm doing anything wrong or if I shouldn't even be doing this breathwork in the first place. Lastly, here are some other things I probably should mention: I forgot to play music during the session I did it with my eyes open when I probably should have done it closed

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You don't.

@Leo Gura I'd like to thank you about teaching me about meditation and enlightenment. Had a pretty freaky experience last week when I noticed that my eyes actually don't exist.

Some guy already made a shorter documentary about the same topic a few months ago.

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Yeah but how does one go about effectively removing that fear? Would love to hear your thoughts on this.

Noone's worrying about you getting hit by a bus, Leo. We're only worried you might spontaneously vanish into the ether.

@Leo Gura Have you ever fantasized (or at least thought about) what it would be like if your work and teachings became part of (or at least mentioned in) future academic curriculum.

Embrace your weirdness

@Psyche_92 Don't be surprised when 1-2 hours of daily meditation does not magically eradicate your strongest addictions. The process will still take years and you have to push through a LOT of struggle and backsliding. Deleting accounts barely helps either, you could still end up creating a new one months from now. You may have not yet "moved on". It's a sneaky tactic the mind comes up with in order to get an illusory feeling that you've actually accomplished something. But it's a matter of slowly weening yourself off it, not abruptly giving it up and "moving on". If you've found yourself successfully not visiting the site after a year or two, that's when you've truly made progress. Just keep going and the cravings will slowly dissolve. You have to find other things to replace your bad habits, and apply focused mindfulness to the sensations you feel when you're craving and engaging in your addiction. Also remind yourself that you're going to die someday. Do you really want to be spending more and more of your time fucking about with video games while the "icy hand cometh"? Probably not. (Also note that I myself still struggle with video game addiction. Played games for most of my early life so I know what it's like. Most games are suffering but they're addictive suffering)

I don't want to waste my time thinking about them.

That's a really absurd way to put it. God is YOU! YOU are God who is dreaming that he is not God. God waking up from the dream means YOU realizing that you are literally God. It doesn't rely on other people.

Have you tried uninstalling coffee.exe? Yeah, it's tough getting rid of a physiological addiction that's also an emotional crutch. I have the same problem with video games. The trick is to be as aware as you can when you are 'enjoying' your addiction. Because your 'enjoyment' is only causing suffering and it's just about becoming more and more conscious of it.

Just be prepared to admit that you don't know.

@Leo Gura You've talked a lot about 'Epistemic Blunders' and how people, including intelligent, scientifically and rationally minded people, 'get into trouble' because of it. Would love to see you expand on what you mean by 'get into trouble'.

So what? You can get injuries by exercising. You can fall into dogma through studying science or by becoming a 'skeptic'. You can commit evil by trying to do good. You can cherry-pick whatever stories you like to prove a point but the fact remains that meditation is overwhelmingly beneficial but ONLY when you're open-minded enough to take it seriously and achieve direct experience of what's possible. But of course when you haven't taken it seriously, when you don't even want to take it seriously, what your mind will like to do is latch onto stories that already confirm your preconceived notions of what the reality is. Human bias at work. Classic closed-minded dogmatic ramblings. Clearly you're more interested in pushing your beliefs rather than breaking them down for yourself.

Nothing is inherently "positive" or "negative". Those are value judgements. Positive-Negative, Good-Bad, these are just illusory labels your mind uses to distinguish between what it will and will not pursue. Growth just means becoming more and more aware of how various systems in reality work and how they interconnect with each other. I don't watch the news not because I think it's 'negative', but because it's, more often than not, very low-brow, sensationalizing, and highly drenched in mainstream culture mentality. Does that make news inherently a 'bad' or 'negative' thing? No. Everyone still has the freedom to watch it. But it sure as hell makes me avoid it anyway. Because I also have the freedom not to watch it. That's growth.

From the reddit post. What do you guys think? I don't know. To me, he sounds like he's being too much of a pussy to go deeper but then again I haven't tripped once yet so who am I to talk? But I do find it weird that he says life is meaningless then immediately contradicts it by saying that we should be more social as if that holds any meaning too. He strikes me as way too attached to his social life seeing how he strongly avoids isolation.

You should become more aware of the fact that all hedonistic pleasures are ultimately unsatisfying. You don't need to stop it. Just be aware of it.

Ditto. I'm from the Philippines too.

Don't care much about my reputation or anyone else's. But that's just my perspective.

@Source_Mystic Never said non-duality is the only essential thing and is above everything else. That would be a duality.

Non-duality means there is no side-dish. Just one infinite main course.