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@Entrepreneur Folks around here don't easily say their Apex isn't THE Apex. What they believe to be the ultimate is just impermanent conscious dust. They don't realize, there is no fucking apex. lol. But oh... how much safety it provides and how it serves the ego. They think because they explore "levels" of consciousness they are onto something. Unable to see what they're doing. As if the abstraction that they've defined as the "first" level of consciousness is any lesser than the abstraction of the "highest" level their human brains could comprehend. And oh boy, they want to fuse themselves with that highest level (ego 101). Their hierarchy is made of the same impermanent conscious dust as everything else they're trying to transcend, but they can't see it yet. They're constructing elaborate justifications for why their particular preoccupations are cosmically important rather than just... their preoccupations. lol I wouldn't be so brash if they weren't so arrogant.

Staring down at green carpet, wondering where I was and why I was suffering, in the midst of chaos and trauma. My father stormed in after drinking, slammed the door, the ornament hanging on the door fell off, then he punched my mom in the face and told me to give her a hug while she was crying and then to go to my room, which had green carpet. Hell of a first memory, ey? lol Chaos needs managed.

Truth-orientation = the degree to which a person tolerates local destabilization in order to improve global model accuracy. 😂 I have a pipe dream of building a model of the mind, and this is just one module. It's a huge project though, and other things take priority, but damn, it would be fun to work on this full-time. Cheers!

I think there's a lot of truth here as well. My intuition is telling me you don't like the world and the way it is, and your current situation is a manifestation of your wanting distance from it... more so than a manifestation of structural constraints. And there's nothing wrong with that per se, so long as you acknowledge it and accept the lot that position manifests. I think you need to forgive yourself and others for being faulty and rejoin the humans. Everyone is doing the best they can.

Sleep is the biggest lever for most people. It's not so obvious when you're young, but as you age and grow in awareness, you see how poor sleep is a mother fucker for nearly everything. The downstream effects of chronic poor sleep are huge. Increased stress, anxiety, and depression, and basically manifests hell on earth because it the effects accumulate and compound. So many people's lives suck because their sleep sucks, and most of them are oblivious as to why. They just live with it and never really understand the consequences. You need a decent level of awareness/metacognition to be able to put it together fully. Ever wonder why some days you're on top of the world and others days you're down in the dumps immediately on wake? Sleep is likely the biggest factor. Listened to this recently: https://www.audible.com/pd/Why-We-Sleep-Audiobook/B0752ZQR33

Damn bruh.

The financially desperate demographic is huge, so of course there are tons of offers out there to solve this problem. I'm sure there are some legit courses on how to sell courses. Not all of them would be useless. But I wouldn't even look for courses on how to make money. The macro steps for building a course are simple. One sequence might look like: 1. Validate your idea with market research 2. Make the course 3. Package it well 4. Make it accessible 5. Distribute 6. Collect market feedback and reiterate until you get buyers. You just have to flesh each of these out. AI would likely serve you better than random courses. For example, at each phase, you can ask AI "what are the most common mistakes at this stage?" or "what is the likelihood my project would fail and if it were to fail, why?" or "why do most endeavors like this fail?" or "what is the actual difficulty level and level of effort required for this stage?". AFter you ask enough questions and get clarity, the pathway might light up.

Neediness happens when wanting gets mixed with a lack of self-respect, self-trust, or inner stability. The outcome gets psychologically attached to something deeper, like safety, identity, self-worth, etc.

Yeah, that frame makes compassion and love for other easier for me as well. Although I admit, I don't hold it as often as I'd like to.

I added it back. I didn't feel sure about it. Glad you like it!

Good point. I don't live like I'm playing a game. It's only in specific reflection that I would see it that way. And it is more common to view others as playing games than oneself. There might be something to seeing others as playing games that prevents compassion/love from blossoming. Good thinking!

The impulse to call out other people's games is itself a game - a common one. We're all just humans playing meaning-games together. And there's no shame in that. Without games, there'd be nothing to discuss. But it's easy to get caught up in thinking your game is superior just because it's more coherent or truth-aligned. We're all on this forum because we're seeking recognition and resonance - we want our existence to matter in relation to others. We just play different games to achieve that end.

I could see how these metaphysical mechanics would usually serve to spiritually bypass the underlying fragility. For most, it would be a coping mechanism and a magic pill solution to avoid the work becoming antifragile.

True dat

Engage with the nuance bro. You don't get to flatten all distinctions and then tell everyone your flattened frame is basic common sense. lol. Nice try.

Also, how one deals with "uncertainty" is near the root as well. Neediness = fear-driven attempts to eliminate uncertainty and to secure safety. So, maybe part of the solution is courage has to be cultivated. And/or you have to cultivate groundedness in the absence of guarantees.

@UnbornTao Totally agree. In my first reply I had something like "it's helpful to distinguish between want and need", but I removed it after I started thinking about the complexity it invokes. It feels like "want" becomes a need at a certain point, so I started thinking of "desire" as the base phenomenon on a spectrum of intensity, but then couldn't figure out the rest of the framework. Also, it's not so simple because you can have both an intense want and an intense need. Where things become unstable is when not getting an intense want is mistaken as some sort of existential threat. So neediness seems to have to do with your relation to the desire - how high you believe the stakes are or thinking your safety will be compromised if you don't get it. At the end of the day, I think neediness is a symptom of a fragile self. Find what is fragile and make it not fragile.

OP is asking for mechanics. “How does it really work”. It’s like they’re saying they want a deep understanding of how an engine works and some distinguished mechanic chimes in: “combustion”. Anyone have any insights into the mechanics of it?

Problem solved! lol

But what does the attitude consist of?

Maybe neediness is the byproduct of being desperate for something from someone else and you subconsciously positioning yourself lower than them. The variables seem to be desire intensity, forced closure, and often low self-respect. What does it mean to desperately want something from someone else? I’m very selective about what I desperately want. If I find that I’m being desperate, I correct myself. Eventually, it’s second nature to not be needy. Also, you can want things without being needy. I might want some sex but if I don’t get it, I’m not bothered much. And I’ll never allow desperation for a fleeting desire to turn me into a subordinate weakling. I have too much self-respect for that. I think this is how I uprooted my own neediness. I really didn’t like being at the mercy of others, so I fixed it. Of course, it’s easy to go wrong in the fixing. You don’t want to become overly cynical, more narcissistic/superior, etc. I think becoming non-needy is a big self-development project that requires careful balance, which can only be learned over several years. And for me, it started with not allowing myself to desperately want anything from someone else. But not with suppression. Rather, from realizing things like no one else owes me anything, I can’t force them to do something, and therefore, what others give or don’t give is outside my control, and overly relying on them for psychological safety sets me up for suffering, which I don’t like, so I avoid the entire thing by preventing desperation. Eventually, it becomes an automatic operation.

What about this analogy: If your boss of 3 weeks says to you "I am wondering - do you see yourself sticking around long term and devoting yourself to our cause"? No matter how he frames the question, it creates pressure, and IMO, is a bit unfair. If the employee feels pressured, is that just on them? So if you're deliberately using it as a filter, I think that's fine and makes good sense. Nothing, as long as they're ready for it or have the capacity and desire to meet you there. But it seems risky. You might end up scaring some off that you'd actually like.

Empathy. Respect. Attunement. I understand your point. I'm not saying "don't do that". You can do it and things still work out for you. I'm just saying that if you pull a fire alarm and everyone in the building panics, and you say "their panic is on them - I was just expressing myself", that's technically true, but it's ignoring the fact that you caused the panic. It seems you want clarity about a specific thing but want to ignore the impact clarity-seeking would generate. There are consequences to pretending the impact is only in the other person's head. Self-expression changes the emotional environment.