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Yeah, they were all saying Bill Gates was gonna chip everyone. I guess if you send a hotrod classic car into orbit, you're cool and can get away with it but if you donate millions to help starving people across the world, you're an evil prick.

Exactly. When people do things, we can observe those things. When they do 1000 things, we can observe those and add all them all up to make a very accurate judgement about a character if we are careful with our thinking. I think some people must have a very hard time with this type of thinking and because they themselves can't see clearly or don't want to, they project onto others that they cannot see clearly either and they assume people are drones who just fell for propaganda or something. They say things like "You can't read minds.". 😂 It's called observation and contemplation. I think people who fall into this category lack understanding of human nature. The current state of human nature isn't pretty, and many spiritual people do their best to avoid the truth because it isn't compatible with their version of spirituality. Most of the population lacks the cognitive development to spot deception, thus are easily influenced. They don't want to accept this. To me, it's something like: High awareness of cognition (metacognition) Desire to seek truth and desire to act on it Cognitively energetic, because work has to be put in for development to occur Not bothered by uncertainty Ability to hold contradictory ideas Ability to do hypotheticals and to immerse oneself into other perspectives Deep understanding of human nature Deep understanding of how bias works Ability to accept what is true, even if you can't stand it Logical, good epistemology I think low-conscious people can find God if they want to, but that doesn't mean they would be consciously developed, IMO. How do you define it?

Did you hear about Russian state TV airing Melania's nudes the other day and then congratulating Trump right after? I interpreted this as Putin sending a message to Trump, but I'm not sure what the message would be. The following is pure speculation, obviously, but Imagine if Putin has a video of Trump having sex with a minor or something like that and and then he airs Melania's nudes on state tv. If you were Trump, that would be scary as hell. It could be Putin reminding Trump he's still got control over him and to not let his ego get too far ahead of itself with his newfound power.

Jesus. First of all, he didn't go in-depth on rocket science. Second, because you explain why material x is better than material y does not indicate intelligence. It indicates a working mind that's probably interested in complexity. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's dumb, but this video is not evidence. The best evidence I've heard is that he's like #4 in the world on some video game. That is more impressive than him regurgitating concepts that people think you have to be intelligent to regurgitate. Many people could easily commit to memory what he's talking about in a day. It is not genius to get the high-level overview of how things work. If you're the head of SpaceX, I'd say it'd be a good idea to understand the rockets. I just started getting into microscopy, of which, most people are clueless. If I start talking about different staining techniques and the chemistry behind them, would you think I'm intelligent? I would hope not. Some people are drawn to complexity, and Elon seems to be, but I don't think he's no more a genius than I am, and I am not.

Great video. The same people who turn a blind eye to Trump will turn a blind eye to Elon. They'll call this video fake news and propaganda. This woman does a nice job of articulating our situation: She mentions the problem is people can't accept facts, which is 100%. Why can't they accept facts? Because they're ignorantly serving their weak ass petty emotions, which they can't even identify in themselves. If you ask me, I think Putin is behind most of this. There's no telling how deeply these bot farms go. I wouldn't be surprised if they're even on this forum.

Shhhhhh..... This can bring down their entire house of cards. NVM, who am I kidding? They'd have to contemplate it for that to happen. Carry on.

Not everyone is susceptible to propaganda. Sorry man, but your fantasy will never manifest because reality don't work like that. If you build your house on sand, it will fail. If you set a con artist to head up your civilization, it will fail. That's just how reality works. Your position could be considered as a very unlikely thing that could occur, but to be optimistic about it is a clear indication of wishful thinking or ignorance. If something has a 5% chance of occuring, you should assume it won't. I suspect Musk and RFK make you think the odds are much higher than what they are, but Musk isn't the genius you think he is and he also doesn't give two fucks about humanity. RFK is an anti-vax idiot who refuses to accept when he's wrong. Musk makes fun of people on Twitter about as much as Trump does. He's against humanity, not for it. He's out for power. And JD Vance is another billionaire's project to control government. So who is going to improve things and how? They are the swamp. If you think Elon is some sort of a genius, you've bought the propaganda. Here's your genius: He tells people he never lost of game of chess because he wants everyone to think he's a genius, but wouldn't a genius know that people could sniff that bullshit out a mile away? He said chess is simple. If you've ever played a good bit of chess, you know how stupid that statement is. If I'm being charitable, maybe he meant he just didn't like the game's constraints, but even if that's what he meant, he didn't make the distinction, and distinctions are what geniuses are known for. I'd be interested if someone can show some good evidence that indicates he's a genius.

PLEASE, for the love of God, fix this retarded logic. This is why people vote for Trump. Because they're too lazy or don't care about operating on truth.

Rogan is a king himself, so it doesn't apply to him. What I'm saying is that many other influencers do play that game with Rogan. They kiss his ass and avoid criticism and even surrender their own positions if it means they can get ahead via Rogan. Patrick-Bet David showered him with gifts worth god knows how much, live on air. How many people do you think are doing that behind the scenes? Imagine being that popular. Getting a single interview with Rogan can set you for life. Same with Trump. If you can have him call your name out, it can make or break you. The left doesn't have anything like this. Anyway, I'm getting bored of my own thoughts. Thanks for the back and forth!

It's not about admitting they were wrong. It's about them recognizing the coming reality. If we make them double down in their Trump support, they'd be less likely to recognize it. As an added bonus, many of those new people could end up being anti-Trump and they might then turn on the rest of them if we just let them come to it on their own; not by admitting their mistake, but simply be seeing the price of eggs didn't go down or by seeing the lives of their loved ones get worse due to cuts to social programs. We'll just create more cultist if we continue warning them.

@What Am I Look, if you want to toss out the phenomenon I'm talking about, you won't see reality. You will end up with justifications like you just gave. The phenomenon of people looking out for their own best interest by bending the knee and keeping quiet else their careers be ended is not only real, it's in full effect and is the very mechanism that allows Trump to reign supreme over the Republican Party. This is not a matter of opinion. People are driven by the knowledge that by stepping out of line, Trump could end their career with a single tweet. What does this manifest? People swallowing their own beliefs, creating an echo chamber where dissent is squashed, and loyalty is rewarded, no matter the cost to integrity. They kiss his ass like you wouldn't believe. It would make you sick to see it, which I'm guessing you haven't. This phenomenon that's been on full display for several years also maps over to the influencer space. Why do you think it took Kyle K so long to criticize Joe Rogan over the years? Now, WHAT IF... you had the bright idea that instead of criticizing Rogan, you kissed his ass and buttered him up... might that be profitable. Kyle could have done that, but he chose integrity instead. Many people would kiss his ass. Anyway, here's an example:

Can you tell me why Lindsey Graham and JD Vance changed their tune about Trump? They came out the gate with absolute disgust for him and now they lick his boot in front of crowds while he mocks them. I need to know you can see basic reality. If you can explain this very obvious thing, and if you can then acknowledge it’s a common phenomenon in Trump world, as evidenced by the entire Republican Party bending the knee and kissing the ring out of fear Trump ends their career with a Tweet, then maybe you can use this to see how pervasive this phenomenon is. It doesn’t just apply to politicians.

It’s called selling out, which is profitable.

Tens of thousands more influencers will follow suit. We’re entering the largest mass delusion of our time, and even spineless fools who voted Kamala will cave to it. It’s a whole new era.

All of this “let’s reflect on what happened” is either idiocy or posturing. Anyone with half a brain knows what happened. Unwitting voters were fed propaganda and they ate it up. I see a lot of politicians and mainstream media staying as far away from the truth as possible, and for very obvious reasons. If a politician went on CNN and said the voters were unwitting victims of propaganda, their career might end. So of course they’re going to say things like “what did the we do wrong to lose like this? “. The only thing to figure out is how to combat deception and how to deal with unwitting voters falling victim to propaganda. Data scientist are currently analyzing this stuff and when the data comes out, it will confirm what I’m saying. Many independent media outlets are acknowledging it, and they can because they aren’t beholden to stakeholders like the mainstream. Even Bernie can’t say the truth of what happened.

100%. Now that being on the right is associated with masculinity, I wonder to what degree it will hamper maturation of men. If you're 18 and associate "leftist" values with weakness and if you have millions of others affirming it, I think that's going to prevent some men from maturing who otherwise would have. Back when I was coming up, we had gangsters, bad boys, etc, but we knew it wasn't really accepted in society and I think because society didn't really allow it, that helped us grow out of it faster. If society is accepting of this toxicity, we might see this generation mature much slower than previous ones.

It's possible to fake like you care about people, as evidenced by Trump. That's the game we're in, which gives you thrills when considering ways the right can manipulate people but triggers your morals when you think of the left doing it. Replace "young white men" with, "the idea that young white men". You might say that I'm engaging in toxic masculinity rather than frustration. What I'm really expressing is my disdain for toxic ideas, hypocrisy, and weakness, which is the same weakness the right likes to make fun of the left for. Little snowflakes who melt with the slightest bit of emotional discomfort. That AI needs an epistemic upgrade. A better answer would have been something like: Based on such scant data, we can't be sure, but if we had to make a judgement based only on this, it's a reasonable assumption, although not definitive. If you want to know the truth, you could have just asked me 😆 I'm a middle-class, middle-aged, straight, single white male. I don't watch MSNBC. I've never been to a political protest or defended any minority group in my life. I've only ever had sex with women. My view of young white men is about the same as my view of young black men. Which is they're both just humans. I'm mocking the ideas being discussed, not the people holding the ideas. It seems this is rare. I'm not the type to attack people but ideas are fair game in my book. I recognize the plight of the human condition and I don't blame people for anything. I don't hate them for their ideas and I don't hate any group. Not even suicide bombers. But I will brutally mock their ideas, and TBH, I don't care to tiptoe around it. If I have a horrible idea, I don't mind if it's attacked. In fact, I wish it would be. Maybe I'm just oldschool or something, but I don't think young men should hear the message that there's something wrong with them and they've been abandoned by society. Even worse, to blame it on a fucking political party is STUPID! IF you hold that idea, I'm calling the idea stupid. Not you! This idea is not only fallacious, it's toxic. It's not good for anyone except the people who don't give two shits about them, profiting off it financially and politically. The hypocrisy of this idea is off the charts. And here's AI's summary of this message. It almost got it right.

The best solution you could hope for without embracing toxic masculinity is to meet them halfway. One such example is Dave Bautista's video attacking Trump. The problem is, at some point, the big man talk has to stop and when it does, they'll lose interest and go to the side that feeds it 24/7. I don't see how you can win them over when the right fully embraces what they want to express. You'd have to become them to have a chance at winning them over. Dana White was a main speaker at Trump's victory party for God's sake. They're gone. Yeah, I know.

It's pathetic that young white men now want politicians to give them the same level of representation and attention as disadvantaged groups have received. Should political parties be catering to the emotional needs and lifestyle preferences of healthy young white men whose biggest hardship is not getting pussy? Maybe we need some federally-funded brothels for these men who feel left behind. I'd be willing to pay a .25% brothel tax for them if they'd just shut the fuck up. What we need is a party who can figure out how to exterminate this neediness so we can get down to real business. And that goes for both sides. Maybe that's the way forward. What if the Dems came out and said "Look, we've made mistakes but we're changing how we operate. From now on, we're not going to show preferential treatment towards any group because it makes other groups jealous and causes too much conflict. We're sorry and we'll still look out for people but we're not doing identity politics anymore. It will be boring but that's how it should be." In my dreams.

I don't agree with OP's position but they have a good point about not calling them out. It's not just Trumpists in their camp now. We could wind up in a situation where 70% of the US population is defending the Trump admin the way white evangelicals and racist nutjobs have been for the past 8 years. The movement has many new members and now with the Rogan endorsement, many other influencers will follow suit, which means their numbers will continue to grow. If we call it out, it'll only entrench their new members, just like the first time around. If they didn't pickup so many new members, I'd probably still advocate for calling them out, but it seems like a horrible idea now. We should just keep quiet and hope the new members see for themselves, IMO.

This is very true. Look at where all previous efforts got us. They failed spectacularly. Denouncing Trumpism should stop. At this point, silence is the best teacher because it provides them opportunity for recognition. They'll have a hard time recognizing anything if we're filling up their psychic space with what they perceive as attacks. It just makes them double down. We all know at this point who and what he is. There should be no more trying to convince people. Just to clarify though, I'm not saying it should be ignored and I don't think discussions should stop, but we shouldn't be trying to convince them because it just makes them stronger.

You mistake conceptualizing and hashing things out as not accepting the thing. Why? I fully accept what happened and am not in emotional upheaval whatsoever. I can talk about "negative" things without coming from a negative place or becoming negative myself. You assume others can't because that's not how you operate. How do you think a stage yellow person would discuss Trumpism? What would it look like to you? If a stage yellow person has concluded that Trump is a full on con artist and his supporters are fools, does that make them not yellow? Also, do stage yellow people ever express emotions? Do they experience frustration? If they do, are they supposed to go to their cushion and calm themselves? Do you think all anti-Trump talk is stage green. Stage yellow can see Trump clearly and since they care about the world, if they think Trumpism is a huge threat to it, don't be surprised when intelligent people have conversations about it. Stage yellow wouldn't be "worried". At least, I'm not worried. I harp on my family about their diets, not because I'm worried about them dying, but because I care about them and don't want them to suffer. They often tell me I worry too much, but they mistake looking ahead to prevent catastrophe for worrying. It's not being afraid or worrying that catastrophe will come, it's simply being proactive in avoiding it. I can easily see how people conclude that people like myself or Sam Harris or Leo have "TDS". It has to do with being able to see things clearly AND caring about bad things not happening. It is not about sitting around in fear of those bad things. It's more to do with the frustration of people playing with fire and ignoring reality, and the negativity comes from the frustration of trying to get them to see it. It's not worry or fear. Although, that is probably the case for stage green.

For his supporters who aren't Christians or full on cultists and low IQ, they can't admit Trump's devilry in it's entirety because he's an expression of something they like. Whether it's racism, bullying and name calling, or attacking people and things they despise, which gives them a thrill. Essentially, they unconsciously choose cheap thrills over the truth and they can't see it because that's how bias works. They choose appearance over essence for a reason. It's more they don't want to see it rather than they can't see it. It's possibly the largest delusion of our time. I've found no better explanation of the phenomenon than this, but this doesn't include the full on retards/cultists.

@Hardkill You can't take it back by force. You would have to fight fire with fire and use covert influence. One thing I realized is that everyone should really never argue against Trumpism, ever. We should all keep our mouths shut. They will sow discontent amongst themselves if they don't have us distracting them. That's probably the best thing the anti-Trump camp can do because here's the thing: most of their new members know what they did is bad and they're hoping it doesn't come back to bite them in the ass. When it does, remain silent. Silence is the best teacher. Let's not do what we did from 2016-2020. It didn't work then and it won't work now. I for one will not be shining the light on his devilry on my social media anymore. The only reason I even have social media was for that purpose, but no more. We'll all need to be much more calibrated in our attacks and we can't attack every instance of fuckery and when we do attack, it needs to be subtle. There's more of them than there are of you, so if you want to sabotage the movement, you should do it as discreetly as possible. Good luck and Godspeed. 😂

You crack me up man! 😂 Have you ever practiced "letting go"? https://www.audible.com/pd/Letting-Go-Audiobook/B00ZJFQN9I Notice you've always been alright. What will happen will happen and there'll you'll be, noticing it happen. It will be fine. Nothing can get done with a hot head. Yes, it sucks that this is the state of things, but you can't change it, so you have to just let it go. Half of the country is really happy. That alone is a positive thing if you think about it. Let them have their win. Also, they will fuck shit up and you can watch as a detached observer knowing that you had no part of it. Aspects of it will surely be entertaining. I'm no longer on edge because what's done is done. I'm done warning and convincing people because at the point, everyone knows what Trump is and they chose him anyway. There is really nothing left to say to them and no need to convince anyone because they already know. Now that there's nothing left to do, all we can do is strap in for the ride and accept it. Same as all throughout history, uprisings occur when the elites step too far out of bounds. They will do damage but they can't go too far.