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Gloating in the misfortune of others is the opposite of virtue. Virtue is things like patience, kindness, good work ethic, integrity, compassion, understanding, intelligence, etc. Anyone who enjoys kicking people while they're down needs to have a long look at themselves.

There's a confluence of factors which can each be applied weights. Collect all the factors and try to assign them weights. Here are my top factors: Immigration: When the Haitian Springfield story popped off, I knew that was a very powerful tactic because I can put myself into the minds of apolitical people making sense of it. That story, even though it was false, shined the light on a real world example of our immigration problem, and that was immensely powerful because the people had never seen it before. This was a HUGE factor. Not many people are talking about it now, but it was big. I saw several intelligent people saying this was a misstep by Trump. Not only were they wrong, they were dead fucking wrong. Influencers: Influencers like Musk and Rogan are one of the largest factors, if not the largest. This should be very easy to see. You know how influencers get paid $100,000 just to take a sip of Coke when they're on a live stream... yeah, there's a reason for that. Influencer marketing works. So, how big an impact would one of the largest influencers in the world make? Take your time with that one. Effective anti-establishment/woke/manosphere propaganda: Disdain for establishment and identity politics and transgenders. Sam is right about identity politics and trans. The problem is, gender dysphoria is real and since the Dems acknowledge it, it makes it look like they're fucking nuts to unconscious bigots. Two people got gender reassignment surgery in prison but the Reps would have everyone believe it's widespread. There is a problem with social contagion, and it needs to be addressed. Many fools are just confused and seeking attention via transgenderism, as evident by their need to flaunt what they're doing in everyone's face. That hasn't been called out by the Dems, and it made for an effective line of attack, albeit utterly misleading and deceptive. Here's a good question: For all the people who have actual disdain for the left and LGBTQ, what percentage of those people do you think say they voted for Trump due to economic reasons but were really motivated by disdain? Would there be any reason to go with they "voted for the economy" rather than voting from disdain? Of course people want to have good reasons for why they do what they do and voting for Trump out of bigotry is not reasonable, so they seek reasonable justifications like "the economy" but it's not the true motivation behind their vote. Most new votes came from here: The problem of immigration, which the reality of was largely distorted for purpose of manipulation Influencers Solid attacks on identity politics Misc. propaganda/fear mongering Combine those with the already shored up vote: Cultists Simple bigots Anti-establishment / hatred of woke/identity politics Christians And you have yourself an election. These mainstream media talking points about people voting because groceries went up doesn't map on to what I'm seeing in reality. It has more to do with "the people embraced the right" than "the people rejected the left". And that embrace manifested mostly due to the manipulation of an unwitting populace, not because the populace wised up to and rejected the Dems. That's absurd. The citizens are a bunch of sheep, easily steered. Lastly, to drive this point home, for all the people who were already in the anti-establishment/woke camp, which factor would they most likely enjoy focusing on? Answer: People have seen the devilry of the left, just like we have, and now they're wise to them, just like we are. They have seen what we have been saying all along. Isn't that a pleasant idea for the anti-establishment/woke crowd? I bet it makes them feel good. I recommend trying to figure out if this is true with Leo's self-bias video.

I recommend it. It would be better for forum organization IMO because many of the posts now are about the election aftermath rather than the election itself. Two different conversations IMO. For example, I would like to share this video but it doesn't really fit into this thread, I don't think.

You say he’s not a villain. Others say he is. Someone is very wrong. Who do you think it is? Here’s a quick heuristic for you to easily find the answer. How flawed have you noticed your own thinking throughout your life? Have you noticed you were wrong about many things? Have you been called wise, intelligent, and a good thinker by many? Would you say that you have high integrity? Now, realize this: how many intelligent, wise, and integrous people have you seen for Trump? My all-time favorite video from Leo is the one on self-bias. It’s like 3 hours long. Have you sat through it and wished you could see your selfishness and tried like hell to identify how you deceive yourself? If you do, you might find your position on Trump exists for reasons other than being founded on good sense-making. Are you ready to see what aspect of yourself you’re blindly serving?

Here's Elon boasting that he has power over all government employees. For those who don't know, the "*" means all people who have a .gov address. Richest man in the world buys control over U.S government employees, all out in the open, then brags about it, and people cheer it on.

Maybe I read you wrong but it seems like you enjoy rubbing it in the face of Trump-haters that he won. Is that not the case? How much is it that you get off on rubbing it in vs you just wanting them to pay more attention to aspects of their thinking you think are flawed? 50-50?

Biden sucks at public speaking but he's at home when doing politics off camera. I used to have a demented grandpa who could still do what he always did but when he got tired and stressed, he couldn't do those things well. I think Biden is like that. If you ever see him when he's not in the camera spotlight, he's clearly much less stifled. I doubt he just sat around and did nothing. I think he could meet up with his Democrat pals and sign papers just fine.

It's a breath of fresh air to see this attitude. What greater good is there than to care more about the peace and enlightenment of the whole? There is none. It's the ultimate life purpose. I care more that the world find peace than I find it. I'd give my life in service to that cause. This "it's all an illusion" talk can be transcended. Why do you think we're here? What will you do when you reach that high peak? Come back and chop wood carry water? Ah yes... you will finally be at peace at last. You will have fulfilled your curiosity and you will know how to remain calm. YOU will be nice and cozy chopping your wood. Peaceful people sit in ignorant bliss while the world withers. For the strong, the state of reality serves as fuel. The problem is it takes much development to care more about reality than oneself. Weakness pervades. Most so-called spiritual people care more about their own comfort than anything else and they'll use any story they can to preserve their cushiony homeostasis. The work begins by solving the problems of recruitment/mobilization, securing capital, and coordination. It can be done but there would need to be a leader to hold it all together. Where's @Leo Gura?

@Husseinisdoingfine You gonna start up a post-election thread?

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Not sure where they got those car prices but they see off. I haven't vetted this but I'm just saving it for the gas and groceries.

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A simple teenager understands why a villain would want to be leader of the free world. You have to be mentally handicapped to not get this, and if you are, I'm sorry, I mean no offense. I think you've got much work to do my friend. Why would a villain want to be leader of the free world? Can you think of any reasons? My guess is you'll now want to pivot to "he's not a villain" and scrap your whole "it doesn't make sense for him to put so much energy into it unless he really cared about things" argument.

We already know Trump won, and there are many factors as to why. Everything is connected. So yes, the rhetoric you're talking about did have an impact, but not as much as you think. Also, you created this thread not to shine a light on said rhetoric, but to jab a stick in the sides of the people you hate. You aren't trying to get people to see anything. You're just getting off on attacking people who you think are in emotional distress. You think it's the perfect time to kick them... when they're down... and you get off on it. "ha ha"

And to think, it picked up on all that just from a single paragraph.

Specifically this. Wise up bucko!

Alright, well, feel free to share the info any time if you want to. I'm not as rigid in my thinking as it might seem. I'm willing to reevaluate and adjust my position based on new data.

haha... yeah, I was just entertaining myself. Here's what the AI thinks of you: I have it analyze my own thoughts all the time. I like how you can make it focus on specific points. I had it focus on maturity in my last post. It didn't want to do that at first. It tries hard to stay neutral and not offend. Another member plugged one of my posts into it the other day and it responded that I'm likely biased against white men, which is funny, because I'm a white man. 😂 If we're being honest though, most of us here couldn't compete with an AI intellectually. Yeah, we can often make connections better than the AI but as far as analyzing those connections, AI can save us a lot of time there and show us things we might have missed, as well as help us better articulate a jumbled mess of intuitions. Some people think it will lead to cognitive decline but if you use it right, it can improve cognition.

I'm open to new information and it's an interesting idea. Why not create a post on it or just message me. Dude, we talk about channeling Bashar on this forum. No one should have a problem with your ideas as far as I'm concerned, especially when they're held by someone who is serious about questioning reality. Most conspiracy nuts don't care about logic and they just like it for the excitement. You don't seem like that as far as I can tell, so far. lol.

@mr_engineer Consept was basically saying "Your ideas aren’t worth engaging directly, so here’s a robot’s take on them.” I see it as a kind gesture he had hoped would, but I'm sure did not expect, lead you to self-reflection. He wasn't trying to take you down. Maturity in discussion involves openness to feedback, a willingness to examine one’s biases, and the ability to separate one’s ideas from one’s identity.

Underground bunker time. Time to sharpen the sword. Get healthy and fit, get your shit in order, and be prepared for what might come. In the meantime, intelligent people need to be banding together to mitigate this disaster. Let me ask you this: If you had a crystal ball and could see what was going to happen and your prediction is correct, what action would you take? The biggest issue would be coordination. There are plenty of people who would devote their lives to saving the world, but how do you get them to coordinate? You need capital. You'd need to sell the idea to a wealthy person who also wants to save the world and have them bankroll the operation. From there, you'd need a very intelligent and fearless leader and a large team or teams of devoted, intelligent operatives. Ideally, the team would be made of tech people, data people, ideas people, and fit people. There would be no room for cowards or idiots. From there, you could get to work on many fronts.

I don't doubt your sincerity one bit. I think you come in good faith. I think their existence is almost certain due to the sheer size of the universe. It seems absurd to think there's no intelligent life out there. That said, there are big problems with them reaching earth or even wanting to come here. An alien civilization would have to survive long enough to figure out how to travel through wormholes or something else to traverse the distances required to reach us. Most civilizations would likely be hit by a big rock and killed off before they reach that point. For ones that exist long enough, they probably learn to travel around their own solar systems and galaxies. I'm not sure if wormholes and such are even possible, so I can't really go beyond this point. If a civilization advanced technologically to the point they could travel through wormholes or whatever, it's very likely their only motive for coming to earth would be for exploration or science or something like that, not material gain or to fuck us over. Also, if they were that advanced, they would not make a mistake and crash their ship or any bullshit like that. That's about where I'm at on it. I could go on and on about what I think is likely but I think that is the gist.

This is pure speculation but I think this Trump tweet has Elon's name on it. "This is not acceptable" isn't really language Trump uses, but Elon uses it a good bit. The whole thing is different from Trump's language. They tried to use caps to make it look like him. He might just be letting others take control to a large degree. If that's the case, I don't suspect they'll clash. If it's not the case, I think Elon will be smart enough to not fuck up his investment by getting into a petty feud with him.

I'm not against conspiratorial thinking. I do it often. It's just that most of the theories fail when you check their logic. I don't have knee-jerk reactions to them but as soon as I come to an aspect that can easily be tore down, it's usually game over. Take Flat Earth for example. I could listen to and follow someone's elaborate theories but when I ask the question "Are all photos of Earth from space created to deceive us, with every nation that's ventured into space and taken images collaborating in a conspiracy to keep us fooled?" At that moment, the flat earth theory is dead. I have a theory in the making of my own. It's hard for you to to justify voting for this: Trump cherry-picks specific phrases that Hitler used He joked about being a dictator He largely ran on retribution and fear-mongering that we're being invaded by 'vermin" who are "poisoning the blood of our country" He's said he wants to rewrite parts of the constitution He uses violent rhetoric that paints pictures of his opponents being shot in the face by 9 rifles and on several other occasions eluded to his political opponents being murdered He says CNN, NBC, ABC, and any outlet that doesn't carry water for him should not be allowed to operate He's the most documented liar in history He's the most polarizing figure in US history So you find a sneaky way to satisfy an emotional bias with something that can't be proven or disproven. You've told yourself there's a hidden force of evil, likely far more evil than Trump, and is aligned with the establishment, which means it is in collusion with the Dems, and Trump is the only real option. Yeah, I gotta say, if my theory is accurate about your theory, it's epic. 😂

I challenge this widespread belief. Have you personally been charmed by Trump or have you just seen how others could be and discerned from that he's charming because lots of people say it? If he weren't crusading on people's dreams, not many would find him pleasant or attractive. "Charming" wouldn't make the top 10 adjective list of how people perceive him if you go back and run a poll before he became president. I have a hard time believing people thought he was charming then and even now. I bet if you could go back in time and ask 100 women if that Trump guy who plays on Celebrity Apprentice is charming, they'd answer with a look of disgust. And if you'd ask the guys, they'd be like "wtf are you talkin' about?" Charming: pleasant or attractive. (of a person or manner) polite, friendly, and likable. Maybe they're talking about when he brings his grandchildren up on stage or something.