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I get the sense that highly analytical tier 2 folks don't like sharing the tier 2 label with intuitive types. It seems like your solutions are rejected as inferior if they aren't clearly formed from a highly analytical process, which you must be able to demonstrate and articulate right now. If you can't, they call you stage green. But this is a difference in cognition, not values. Of course, this is just my intuition talking, I don't have any analytical proofs. Introverted thinking (Ti) (INTP), prioritizes precision and internal logical consistency. It seeks to construct a coherent framework where each piece of information logically connects and supports the others internally. Introverted Intuition(Ni) (INFJ, INTJ) focuses on discerning underlying patterns and foreseeing future implications. It synthesizes disparate data points into a comprehensive vision or insight, often oriented towards predicting outcomes and understanding complex systems. I intuit Ti feels Ni doesn't deserve the tier 2 label due to cognition bias.

The situation is dire. I condone this messaging: Consider the impact this one troll has. Not ideal, but it's effective.

Talk of manipulating the common person is now a mainstream topic that rarely goes unmentioned in primetime media slots. The very people being manipulated are being talked to about the tactics used to manipulate them. "If only Trump or Kamala would have pulled maneuver X, they could have tricked more people into voting for them". This is not healthy and not ideal, but it's where we are. This is the reason we, as decent people, converse on and consider strategies for how to "manipulate" or "nudge" the masses. It's because they're susceptible to manipulation and we're caught up in the throes and manifestations of them being manipulated by toxic forces whose agendas are not concerned with the health of the whole. Even if you're spreading truth, if you're doing it in a tricky, sneaky way, it is not ideal... but I'm all for it because what else is there? If the threat-assessment returns high danger and high urgency, it seems wise to consider and make decisions for immediate, practical implementations that deal with immediate threats with the best tools available. If those tools are lacking, that sucks, but can we afford to do nothing? "Better done than perfect". It seems impractical that our problems get solved in the healthiest possible way because the common person is not yet concerned with that. You can lead them to water, but you can't make them drink... or can you? 😂 Of course, these are just the stream of thought ramblings of a fool trying to think.

Betting markets have turned with the news of likely RFK Trump endorsement.

Sounds like an INTJ trying to understand an INTP. I already tried to get aurum to see the error in his reluctance to make judgements. Judging gets in the way of his preferred cognition. Maybe aurum isn’t boxed in by a philosophy, but by a cognitive function.

Can you admit what happened here? You said Elon aims to help the world, I called BS and said he's mainly driven by ego. Leo quickly criticized my comment as simplistic stage green thinking. You joined in on that frame and tone, framing my critiques as those of an ignorant SJW/green needing broader perspective. You and Leo used an embarrassingly faulty heuristic that looks something like: "no one from orange or yellow would critique Musk in this way, so whoever does so is green, plus, I've seen lots of greens do it before". In the early stages of this convo, I assumed you and Leo weren't operating on such hasty and ill-formed assumptions but after a bit of digging, turns out I was wrong. That was exactly the case and Emerald or Diamond even called it out, but I wasn't sure. When I said "You can choose your biases", you missed what I was saying. Have you chosen your life purpose? If so, you are biased! I have consciously chosen to demonize Musk because I think he deserves it. I don't think we should sit back and call him benevolent and allow his deceptions to go unchecked. I have a whole calculus for this, which you don't have and aren't interested in, just like I am not interested in your calculus to overlook his deceptions. You arrogantly assume that if I saw what you saw, it would supercede everything I see and my entire perspective would be upgraded. The issue is you have assumed I'm ignorant. I guess let's just agree to disagree unless you think we can make some progress.

@numbersinarow I sometimes struggle with cynical thought and I recorded an audio clip a little while back that I think is helpful. I know at some point I have to let go of all the cynical thoughts, so I'm planting those seeds. If you're interested in listening to it, I'd be interested to know what you think about it. It's about 13 minutes long and you might not like the style, but maybe you will. It's a google recording public link: https://recorder.google.com/536f2cea-5f6e-4fe2-b223-5a394298bec6

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I'm interested in this as well. BTW Leo, I appreciate that the forum exists. Thank you!

Growth. Advancement. Survival mechanisms. Evolution. The problem is, you want me to zoom in on what you are zoomed in on and since I’m not, you are invoking near infinite complexity and acting as if since I have not acknowledged the existence of such complexity through my keyboard, that I am oblivious to such complexity. As predicted above, you want to expand upon the broad strokes and the reason is because you want me to come into the constructs of your world, which arrogantly and ignorantly assumes the constructs in my world are inferior or non-existent. You are proving my point.

Sure, I’ll qualify myself. It’s not necessary but you think it is because it can’t be otherwise. Maybe you mean “inevitable”? Everything exist for everything else. Evolution is very slow. No one controls it and it unfolds based on previous unfoldments. As a species and civilization, we are still highly undeveloped, and to an extent that is lost on 99.999% of the population. Elon exists for the same reason McDonald’s does. Because they were natural manifestations that stemmed from earlier manifestations. They will continue to exist until the aspects of evolution reject them over long periods of time. My mind understood this 1.5 decades ago and much has been added to it since. I know you would like to expand upon the broad strokes above but I don’t care to because you have your world and I have mine. Because I don’t fixate on the same facet of reality as you at any given time does not mean I’m oblivious to the facet. I hope you’ll adjust your heuristic.

Data analytics / pattern analysis + machine learning of custom designed heuristic models. At some point, these will be combined to predict the future with a high degree of accuracy. What’s more powerful than a prediction machine?

@Lila9 yeah, that happens. I imagine it’s quite common in superficial relationships where the girl doesn’t want anything to do with the guy or she doesn’t feel safe or know how he’ll respond. My girlfriends wanted to get pregnant and couldn’t stand my refusal to have sex during their ovulation windows. I wouldn’t recommend having sex without condoms with random hookups but I do recommend it in relationships. Sex with a condom is like getting a back massage with a ski jacket on.

Hmm, I thought it was but I could have been wrong and just got lucky a thousand times. Maybe they were infertile, or maybe I am. Lol. Yeah, I’m going to remove that line because it could be wrong. Thanks. They all got pregnant after me, so either I’m infertile or it worked. Or it just wasn’t in the cards.

I think I'm going on like 6 or 7 years with no sex and am not bothered by it because the cost is too high. To get sex, you have to give something in return. It's possible you're more concerned about how others would perceive you if they knew you weren't getting any. If that's going on, reject the conformist ideals. For those who've never had sex, it might help if you find a girlfriend and have sex with her 500 times. Do that 2 or 3 times. It seems like only about 25% of girls have the good stuff, so try to get one of those. Eventually, you'll look down at it and wonder, "what am I doing?". That's when it loses all it's magic. The thrill fades away and only comes back momentarily, which can be handled in a swift minute. Sex is not as important as it seems to be when we're younger.

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haha. Yes, I figured out what was going on. I was making a very specific point and intentionally omitted much about reality, including the sun and the stars, because it wasn't relevant to the point I was making. That doesn't mean the sun and the stars are missing from my perspective. Maybe my communications conveyed things I didn't intend or maybe you incorrectly assumed that my perspective was limited because I was focusing on a singular aspect. But I was focusing on a singular aspect, not because I sit around and focus only on it, but because I was wondering why seemingly intelligent people would omit an obvious truth, so I was just trying to figure that out and to do that, I had to focus on the singular aspect. You're doing it again! I appreciate if you're being helpful but why are you assuming I don't have perspective on this? How do you know I don't have more perspective on it than you? You've assumed way too much. Is it possible you used a faulty heuristic? 😂 Joking bro! It's all good.

@Keryo Koffa I thought you used your new superpower to edit the test results but that's not the case because the results are an image. How many attempts did it take you to get all 100s? I'm guessing 3. Impressive.

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"My therapist thinks I have a preoccupation with vengeance.... we'll see about that!" Here's my ironclad argument: The test algorithm conflated sadism with a value for justice. If I see someone beat a dog, I have a desire to beat that person, but not beat them to death, just enough so they never beat another dog, so they learn their lesson. When I see evil causing harm, I'm ok with the evil doer receiving pain as punishment. I don't like it when any being suffers, I wish it weren't the case. If a finger snap could fix it, I would choose that over inflicting pain. Ultimately, my goal is to prevent further suffering, not to indulge in it. I'm pretty sure this is correct 😂

You can't operate on this mindset. Failure cannot be an option. It would only be fruitless if you allowed it to be. Don't allow it. When it comes to decisions this big, you have to fully commit. If you fully commit and it turns out that you didn't gain what you sought, it would not be a waste. It's hard to waste life. All experience has some value, IMO.

It is interesting. My mother was very sadistic. Give me some time and I'll figure out an ironclad argument for why I'm not 😂

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Test is bullshit. I can't stand to see others in pain...unless they deserve it!

I felt like this in my late twenties. Had I had the option to retreat, I probably would have. I wanted retreat because I was tired of resenting society. 2 or 3 years in a village might have done me some good but I can't say it would have been better. Either way seems fine. Both paths can be fruitful in terms of growth and experience. Both are challenging and come with their own sacrifices. You have two options. Act on impulse or guide yourself by analysis. Analysis is best but requires a lot of work and the questions therein are not easy to answer. Some questions might be impossible for you to answer, which is the problem I ran into. This is why Know Thyself is one of the highest pearls of wisdom. If you knew yourself well enough, it'd be much easier to make the right decision. I think it comes down to your values and what you need most to put yourself in the position you want to be in.